Tundra engine recall - interesting news

If you knew your original motor was going to be replaced at 55K miles or whatever and you’d only receive a 12/12 warranty on the new motor, would you have still purchased your Tundra?

When the failure happens, most of the motors are eating bearings well past 12K miles, so there’s a chance people will be stuck with a $20K repair bill on a truck with 65K-75K miles on the odometer going on the 3rd motor. Imagine what 3 motors in such a short period of time might do to resale. As I said, Toyota should send the message they’re confident in this motor and the fix. Offering a 12/12K warranty doesn’t inspire much confidence for me as a potential customer… although the 72 month financing right now has me thinking TBH. Expires 1/6/25… I might blow your mind and grab a 2025 yet. Lol

 

I wish they were, always could use some extra cash.

 

not really sure how to answer that straightly being so hypothetical, I mean I wouldn't buy anything knowing it was going to be replaced at 55K miles so its hard to think that one through.

I purchased my tundra thinking I was getting 5/60 powertrain, and thats all I have right now.

That said, I have said many times, in my opinion, any new vehicle is a an extended warranty purchase most likely, its just the way it is now, toyota or no toyota.

right now, I have no extra coverage, no recall, no nothing, and Im the build month right after the recall range ended, March 2023. If it blows up, Im on my own after 5/60 as we speak. I was thinking I would likely get an extended after purchase before this entire fiasco started, probably still in the same boat.

 

and again, and I've said this 100 times and now being called out as getting paid by toyota by 2021 owners (shocker), but I'll say it again for the cheap seats

Im in no way, shape, or form saying toyota SHOULD NOT do something as far as extended warranty for optics and reputation.

What I said and saying is, they don't owe anyone more than the 5/60 they got when they made the original purchase, so if you get a new engine near, at, or over 60K miles, they are not required to give you another 5/60 to make you whole on what you bought originally like some area making it out to be. under that scenario it will likely be 1/12K, that can and may change obviously as this moves along

 

I've had 10-12 Porsches. I wouldn't get too carried away with their "doing the right thing". The 991 GT3 was very narrow low volume. Look up IMS failures which were much, much more persistent than the Tundra issue. It was a design flaw that went on for years and years causing catastrophic failures.
Having full experience with Porsche and Toyota I'd much rather take my chances on Toyota stepping up.

 

I have a standard powertrain warranty on my 24. Within it’s validity I have the option to buy an extended warranty if for some reason I thought the standard warranty is not enough, just to help me sleep better.

Of course my understanding of the above may be defective.

 

yes, you can buy the OEM Toyota extended anytime within the 3/36 bumper to bumper.

I bought 3 vehicles in 2023, platinum tundra, 25th anniversary AWD Sienna, and my moms platinum Venza.

likely to get extended on all 3 before the 3/36. with the connections we have through this site its very affordable as with these new vehicles, any repair is expensive and there will likely be some, its just the way it is now a days IMO, like it or not.

 

The only problem with that is since Toyota put out the safety recall for the engine , if you decide not to take it in when the new engine is ready and your truck has the failure and it causes an accident , it’ll be on you then .

 

No

Safety recalls dont have expiration dates.

You can still take your 12+ year old whatever and say replace my Tata airbags whenever you want.

It is cheaper for Toyota to close out replacements as soon as possible. Tracking and servicing a safety recall for years and years is expensive. It keeps the problem in the news longer.

So the win win approach is to incentivize customers to get the replacement early. Such as get it done within 1 year of available you get a 60k warranty on the new engine. Wait you get the remainder of the standard warranty.

By offering nothing Toyota is incentivizing customers to wait. And wait many of us will.

 

I know that , but that wouldn’t be the owners choice to wait . I don’t mean the engine replacement would be on you , I mean if an accident happened due to the engine failing . If any owner ignores a safety recall that they know about it would be on them .

 

please show evidence of this.
This is not how liabilities work, but curious to see where you get your data from to believe and then tell others to go run lineup for your recall or else the owner is on the hook for damages

 

Sorry I don’t know how to link this but I screen shotted it

 

So why the hysteria over this issue? Again, I fail to understand why that standard approach above is not sufficient for covering any potential powertrain issues anymore. What's more, if I do not like the truck after it has been repaired, I can always trade it in on anything else I might fancy. Life is too short to worry about such hypotheticals endlessly.

 

that’s not fun for truck forums , it’s better to talk shit about the truck you don’t like or brand you don’t like and assume the worst and sky is falling , ha!

isn’t it nice that all these non owners and “prospective owners “ are so worried about us? Hehe

I also had the extended on my 2016 platinum tundra, paid for itself when the fuel pump and ecu took a shit

 

I think you are making too much sense here, if there is such a thing.

My 2024 truck now has nearly 7k miles on it, and I have enjoyed every one of them thus far. Works for me.

 

At the end of the day, Toyota fucked up on the 3rd gen Tundra and loyal Toyota fans with 2nd gens are glad they missed that boat. The worries, time off from work to fix stupid shit under warranty on a 70k truck? C'mon man.

 

Man, and I thought I was a Toyota fan boy. lol You guys have way more brand loyalty than I have. There’s no world where I’m dropping 75K on a truck and at the same time thinking “this motor might eat a bearing, I’ll need to spend another $3K to buy extra insurance to protect myself against a known mechanical defect.” Free country… caveat emptor… all that stuff. I still like the 3rd gen a lot, and hope this debacle becomes just a footnote.

 

Maybe for some, but for most I disagree. Toyota's lack of quality in this new Tundra is discouraging and the concern isn't just for 3rd gen owners. The concern is the loss of what this brand represented.

Every body-on-frame vehicle's quality got worse from it's predecessor, they destroyed the entire line-up.

3rd gen Tundra = Inferior Quality to previous gen
Lexus LX600/LC300 = inferior quality to LX570/LC200
Lexus GX550 - whoever heard of GX problems
2023 Sequoia = Inferior quality, but they also manged to put it in the same size category as a 4Runner
LC250 = god damn turbo4 banger abomination, WTF is it even doing with LC nameplate
2024 Tacoma - Transmission issues?
New 4Runner good luck with that new powertrain vs the 1GR

That is 0 for 7 in body on frame. No manufacturer puts up a run like that.

 

You didn't go back far enough. The Tacoma lost its reliability reputation with the 3rd Gen. Mike Sweers is the common denominator. Hiring the lead truck division engineer from Chrysler is never a good idea.

 

I agree with you that Toyota has had its fair share of issues as described but can you explain why sales of the 3rd Gen have been exceeding almost all previous years? Even with the known engine recall you would think sales would drop but that hasn't happened yet.

I am not sure about the sales figures of the other models mentioned but there could be some surprises there too.

 

glad none of that applies , my 2016 has been more problematic at this point.

We are well versed in your posts, you think it’s shit, we get that, that’s fine, no problem.

doesn’t change the fact most don’t have problems and we are driving around problem free nice rigs. We’ll see what happens.

 

Gen1 owners thought the same about Gen2, and Gen2 thought the same about Gen2.5. It is just a repeating and familiar fear of progression and evolution. Stay in the past - you won't know you are old or out-dated. Modern medicine and medal treatment should also
be avoided to ensure a full healthy life.

 

Ummm who do you think designed the 2nd gen? Guess he cant be that bad then right , we all like those, that’s what he drives as well and pretty bad ass lifted gen 2.5

moot anyways , let’s see what Sheldon does

 

I don't know about sales, but I'll try to answer with another question(s). Do you think sales figures have something to do with quality? Wouldn't that mean Ford and GM are vastly superior trucks as they do multiple times Toyota volume? Do you think McDonalds has served "Billions and Billions" because they make a good burger?

Better question. Why have the all the 2nd gens gone up in value this past year, while people that bought 3rd gen Tundras after the recall announcement, got significant discounts and put up to 15% down are still upside down on their 3rd gen by over $10k?

 

just be like me, buy and like them all, more than one of each as a matter of fact

still partial to my 2001 trd luxury sport interior , trd sr5 I had modded. I did get lucky with the frame thing though, but not lucky with the brakes or manifolds , had several issues there as well as the 4x4 actuator , those were all well known to go on those , mine was no different

 

They can't make you bring it in before the oem warranty expires - so drive it until then or it fails - which ever comes first. No where does it say you have to do otherwise. I doubt Toyota intentionally going to put a 12k/12month engine in any product. And if they do....put them in the same box with Stellantis - Shit Box.

 

Quality has a lot to do with employee work ethic. Currently the USA has a lot of lazy entitled workers and way too many companies with CEO,CFO,COO,..... screwing every employee and average citizen with their outrageous compensation package.

 

That's easy to answer. Because despite all the flaws and burgers that taste like sawdust that's what people want and that's what they like to buy. Point is despite all the negative press sales of 3rd Gen have improved.

Hey, I get it, you don't like 3rd Gens and you feel disappointed that you won't get yourself into Toyota's new offering. That's fine, then just move on, you don't have come here to crap on everyone else's choice.

 

I've had 4 Toyota's prior to my Gen3 Tundra. Each better in every way than the prior. If that was not the case I would not have purchased another Toyota. So I agree with you 100%.

 

I didn't crap on anyone's choice, and never said that I didn't like 3rd gens. I love GMs, but i'd never buy one. I just expressed concern over Toyota's clear quality decline across the entire body-on-frame lineup. You chose to apply a backhanded accusation. I hope your '23 does well for you. Besides, the resale market is probably just a mirage and it's value isn't really treading water like a stone.