Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Toyota dealers are lightweights. All the other major truck OEM dealers have one. Or more.

 

I think you guys are confusing 2 different pieces of equipment here. All Toyota dealers have multiple above ground hoists. That’s the 2 or 4 pillar thing that can lift the entire truck or just the cab if needed. The new part dealers are getting appears to be a taller “cherry picker” specially designed to be able to lift higher than the standard one all the dealers would also already have. That is to remove only the motor.

 

Seems like if all the dealers had existing infrastructure to do engine swaps then Toyota would have avoided the extra money and time on deploying a new tool dealer network wide.

I guess maybe there is the possibility dealerships had no standard lifts so that made standard instructions impossible. But step 1 "remove the cab" would not have needed additional instructions in volume truck service centers.

 

Key word "Will"

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCONL-24V381-5192.pdf

 

So supplying dealers with a new piece of equipment that expedites the process significantly and is less invasive than a cab off alternative in the face of 100k replacements doesn’t make sense to you? The cost of a new cherry picker becomes a good investment imho not to mention decreasing the potential for human error by simplifying the swap.

 

We're doing at first long block today, leaving the cab on here... we have 10 long blocks now in stock, waiting to see how this all goes

 

Good luck! That customer was courageous to be number one

 

It's a used Truck from the VW lot, lol...

 

Why would a man lift be needed for an engine swap? I’m a little lost on that one.

 

You assume taking taking the hood off, disconnecting/reconnecting engine, and removing/inserting engine is harder than doing it all with cab off and full 360 access. That may not be a valid assumption.

Taking the cab off if a big 3 truck is extremely common for repairs. I have cruised thru service lots with multiple cabs swinging in the air at once. One of the chief advantages of body on frame construction vs unibody is you can replace a whole lot of systems via cab off easier and better

For example a frame on a unibody is a total. A frame bent truck the frame can be repaired.

The most logical reason for time and money on custom tool is that some Toyota shops don't have lifts for the cab off or Toyotas cab off process is more cumbersome than the big 3.

 

Did you not watch the video that’s been posted twice on the previous page? That technician seems pretty excited with how easy the process actually is without removing the cab.

Yes, I am assuming taking the hood off is simpler than taking the entire cab off since that is the only part of the process that’s different. Everything else still needs to be disconnected and reconnected. As mentioned above, the tech in the video seemed to think removing the engine with the cab on wasn’t a big deal. I’ll take his word over whatever you’re trying to speculate.

Also, if you look at said video, the truck is on a hoist. Seems like they have to remove the wheels to get it low enough to pull the engine. Now here I also assume that the transmission and some other parts like motor mounts can be unbolted from below while it’s on the hoist you claim most dealers don’t have.

 

To each his own I guess

Happy new year

 

Same to you

 

There are far more disconnections and reconnections to be made, if you take the cab off. No way that method would be faster, or easier.

Cherry picking just the engine, just like that video showed, is by far the best way to do it, IMO.

It's clear some of the posters on this thread have never done engine swaps.

 

Yep, our shop techs have decided to do with the cab still ON the trucks.

 

Posting in this thread, my truck was manufactured after the listed February 2023 affected dates, but had the short block, fuel lines, etc. rebuild done for its previous recall. Had the recall completed before purchase and helped get the price down, just wondering why it a) was involved and b) seemingly wasn’t part of the engine swap. Some of my mechanic buddies have said they might’ve taken that short block out to inspect and compare it with earlier produced/affected ones. CarFax for it is clean with the recall notes, but nothing to cause concern. Will be posting about it through the year, as I can’t really find anyone else with the short block remedy completed. Bought it CPO so it’s under their CPO warranties after the recall was closed out.

 

Engine blew on your truck and got the standard/pre-recall remedy, most likely.

 

Would that not show on a CarFax or just labelled clean under the fact that there was a recall? Any cause for concern, mechanic in the family has advised to trust toyota and enjoy the discounted truck

 

Your truck wasn't in the recall so it got the short block. Not sure why it doesn't show in Carfax. I would agree with just drive and enjoy.

 

How do you know it had a shortblock replacement? The fuel line was a recall, shortblock was not.

 

It’s stated on the CarFax that it has the replacement done, but the carfax itself is “clean” no sign of previous damage so I assumed it was a pre recall maybe. Not worried about it too much bc of Toyotas gold CPO warranties

 

The engine blew, owner traded it in, dealer did the work, resell with new short block. There is no way they would have pulled it that far for an inspection. Weird that it doesn’t show as that. If you have the 100k Toyota used car warranty, and it runs good then enjoy it!

 

A similar situation happened with 2014-2015 Porsche GT3s, where they had defective engines. Porsche replaced the engines and gave customers 10 yr / 100k mile warranty.

This is how it should be, my 02 cents.

 

Porsche was confident they had a permanent fix, Toyota not so much it seems.

 

that’s a little unfair at this point , it’s barely getting started

I know your all down on this , I get it , but let’s not go overboard just yet

 

Yes, I know I’m more cynical about the whole situation than you are. If Toyota was so confident they had a permanent solution to whatever is going on, why the lack of an extended warranty then? Maybe 10/100K is unrealistic, but certainly 5/60 from the date of the installation of the long block assembly would be fair. You guys bought a truck with a 5/60 powertrain warranty and the engine was defective. Toyota is replacing the defective engine with an engine they claim has been fixed, that new engine ought to be covered 5/60 as well IMO. You guys paid for that coverage.

 

Amen.

Shorting the customer on the extended warranty for a full power train replacement (engine or tranny) is bottom shelf customer service. Fairly unheard of. Even Detroit does it

Many like me will just ride engine 1 until it drops and keep the freebie engine coupon in our hip pocket. There is no motivation to do otherwise so Toyo will be tracking and reporting on this recall and swapping engines into the next decade

 

we talked about this before.

Im not so sure yet that the customer confidence portion is even going yet, they are just underway (barely) with the replacements, so give it some time before we 100% concluded there will be no extended warranty.

lets just chill for a few and see what happens here for a bit

That said, how is anyone not getting the 5/60 they paid for, everyone is in fact covered for that amount of time. Im not saying Toyota shouldn't do more to improve the optics, but nobody is getting shorted for the warranty they got when they bought.

 

What is Toyota paying you? We need to know

 

Wondering how the first ‘22 Tundra engine replacement is coming along? Any hiccups that were unexpected?

I visited my dealership after Christmas to have them record my old engine number and they said they are ordering the new replacement engine. My ‘22 has mfg date of Feb2022 and said mine is part of phase 1 recall.
Service rep said all of my fluids are replaced with new (radiator, turbos, oil, a/c refrigerant). I was surprised to hear that the existing engine oil pan is being reused. Can you confirm if that is standard practice for all these recalls? Are they going to change out the Transmission fluid too?
Swapping out the oil pan seems odd to me and allows a chance of oil leakage around the gasket after spending hours pulling and replacing a motor. Guess Toyota is worried the steel oil pan could be damaged in shipment? Or they are thinking it makes it harder for old motor to get reused? From the engine swap video circulating on YouTube and here on Tundras.com, it looks like the crated engine rests on the lower crankshaft housing, hope that doesn’t cause issues while shipping these motors to the dealerships.

I told the Toyota dealership service rep that I wanted to have a new alternator/a/c compressor/radiator fan drive belt instead of using my old one from the original engine. I’ve got approx 55K miles on the original motor, might as well replace it with a new engine going in.
Also want them to install a new A/C filter/dryer since they are going to have to break a/c lines to pull original motor. Having that line open for multiple days is not good for moisture getting in. I’m willing to pay for these parts so I can get a good clean install from the get go. If there is anything else I should replace during this service, please let me know as I want this to be the best experience possible.