Tundra engine recall - interesting news

dafuq? Driving around flipping on an oil pan microphone?

 

My issue with the warranty would be the failures are currently happening at about 32k miles on avg based on the spreadsheet that gets filled out when one fails. A 12/12 warranty doesn't cover the current known to me avg failure time and opens up concerns that a second failure may occur that I'd be on the hook for if I had no other warranty after the engine is replaced.

 

Why not just add a knock senser? Kia have one and I'm sure if Kia can do it, Toyota could as well.
https://mechanicbase.com/trouble-code/p1326/

Although you are pretty much admitting your engine has problems...

 

you still have the 5/60 from the original purchase and any extended , that doesn’t go away

 

Sounds more like he'll have already traded up that Taco for something else (and then traded that something else for something else), before that can occur

 

This is true for most people.

I am thinking for those with a recalled engine who are beyond the powertrain warranty it would be great peace of mind to have a warranty that would cover up until what we (the forum based on our data) know is the avg failure milage. If a recalled engine is replaced at 72K the only additional warranty would be 1 year and possibly 12K miles. Based on what is in that spread sheet, that may not be enough to account for a future failure. If the engine alone would we warrantied for 3/36 to get it beyond that avg failure milage, That, I think, would build confidence in the new engine.

 

So if you are s higher miles owner you gotta pay to insure engine #2 past 12k to replace defective engine #1.

Toyota is chintzy

 

I get the optics, not arguing that at all, also not saying that they shouldn't do something.

I was simply addressing some that seem to think they are getting "less" warranty.

in your example, you did, in fact get the 5/60 you paid for when you bought the truck, and you are getting parts and labor coverage like thats always been there which is 1 year 12K miles.

we'll see how this plays out when they get to the customer confidence portion of the course, Im trying to remember what they did on teh other big ones like the frame recall, etc. I can't remember when I had my 2001 if they extended the warranty on the ones that were in fact replaced with the new ones.

mine was not replaced but got the extended warranty service campaign.

 

I am a higher mile owner, 86k+ as of today. On the list and waiting for the engine to come in, probably be over 90k by then. I don't feel it's chintzy, now the resale value that is what concerns me, it sucks..

 

The frame recall is not a great comparison because while a replacement frame might fail 10 years later due to corrosion there is zero chance that it would fail catastrophically next week, next month or even next year. Whereas some these engines could, and certainly will, do that. Hopefully in much smaller numbers than the originals.

 

So in total this example of truck would have a 96k mile engine warranty? That seems like a disaster for those who did not get a new engine in the recall as they could/should demand a match.

 

Not optics. It is called customer service so they don't become x customers. It is a win win for customer and company.

 

we'll see what they do , but putting in a new motor and honoring the 5/60, and then plus a 1 year 12K is enough to meet the original purchase obligations.

I think if we see additional failures of the replacement long blocks past the 5/60 and/or 12 month/12K miles then it's an entirely new situation.

and Im not talking about the very few second crap outs from the short block replacements early on, I chalk those up to swap out problems, that should have never been done, the short block thing was dumb.

anyways, just my .02, viewpoints certainly differ

 

If Toyota is confident they’ve fixed the issue and that this debacle is behind them, I don’t see any reason to not offer a 3/36 or 5/60 warranty on the new long block. If it’s really fixed, there would only be a handful of failures nationwide, like the “almost zero” failure rate of the 5.7, 3.4, 4.7 or even the 4.0.

 

I get that, then I should get that too then right? extended warranty ?

we'll see when someone actually gets this done and what the paperwork says, Im not aware of a fully completed long block with reliable for info yet?

 

In my example, the additional warranty would only be applicable to the long blocks rotating assembly. That is what failed and is causing the recall. The ancillary components I wouldn't expect to be covered.

 

I’d say yes, you should. Anything that’s inside the long block should be covered for awhile… these aren’t reman engines after all… they’re brand new. It would be pretty awful to be 14 months post repair and have another failure. I’d imagine it would cost north of $15K for another long block and install labor if you’re paying as a customer. I’d want some assurance. I agree with you though, we won’t know what Toyota is doing “officially” until trucks are back on the road with the replacements.

 

I generally agree Breathing Borla. But for any truck within 12 months/ 12k miles of 5/60 I guess it would get 12/12 on top of what the odometer is at. I have tried to think about this setting aside emotions and keep coming back to "we bought it new with 5/60 warranty, and as long as Toyota honors that and gets us that last day before 5 years or last mile to 60k, then they have honored it". And I guess to be fair, the gas line leak has caused me two days of down time already for the short term fix, with at least another day yet to come for installing the long term fix. And I haven't demanded a warranty extension for that. With the engine replacement that will probably be 2-4 days down time and I'll get the truck back with an engine with 0 miles on it, quite a good deal actually. So why then would I be entitled to more than the original 5/60? assuming my first engine never failed.

OK, start the fireworks now, just trying to be rational rather than emotional

 

You guys are a lot more understanding than I would be. lol

To play devils advocate, let’s say your first motor is replaced at 48000 miles. Your second motor, the new long block, fails about 20,000 miles later. So you’ve got a truck with 68,000 miles on it and a bill for $20,000ish for a new long block and labor, for your the third engine.

IMO, the powertrain warranty was 5/60 when you bought the truck. Toyota admits it installed a defective engine and sold it to you. Toyota now claims they’ve resolved the issue (cough cough) and have agreed to install a new, non-defective motor. Why would the new non-defective motor only be warrantied for 12/12? I’d argue anything included in/on the new long block, especially the turbos and associated internal systems, is deserving of at least 5/60 coverage. TBH, it seems to me 5/100 coverage would be the best public message for Toyota to send 22 and 23 owners: that being “we are confident in this motor.” IMO anyway.

 

I can’t believe it, but we agree.

For not just 22-23 owners but all current and potential v35 owners.
I assumed it would be 5/60 and thought 12/12 was a joke.

 

12/12 would be a joke… wait… do we agree again? lol

 

I get that view, let’s all keep in mind we are just at the start of this, we don’t know that Toyota will not supplement this with a customer confidence supplemental warranty

Also , I get the poo poo on the 3rd gen motor and truck , but it’s a little premature to start talking about failed new long blocks , let’s chill and see what happens for while before we get the torches and pitch forks

we can always go get a lifter failure gm as an alternative I guess , and shitty seats to go with it , ha!

 

Man would it suck to have a perfectly functioning motor replaced and then have a failure at lower mileage than the one you had!

Just a thought. Not shitting on the new motors.

 

Engine are being shipped and appointments made. Notta on warranty from Today.

If they are making me self warranty their engine they should let me keep the original as a spare.

 

I’m not sure why this matters? Recall owners get two brand new engines (some get more use then others) then would get a longer warranty then non recall owners?
Look I’m in the recall line so I’ll take what I can get but this argument does not make business sense.

 

Standard the OEM extends the warranty on the assembly in the major recall that failed. There will be limitations

But just waving goodbye and wishing you luck after 12k miles on an engine replacement is inferior.

 

You’re 100% right, we need to see the first few trucks repaired with new long blocks and find out what the actual warranty will be. But with 102,000 new long blocks, there’s a Toyota actuary someplace that can tell us what percentage of those new units are likely to fail. Not many, but I’m sure there will be a few for various reasons. Those owners shouldn’t have to assume that actuarial risk IMO, they bought a vehicle from Toyota with a new motor that was defective. The new long block, a product of stated “better cleaning process” or “redesigned bearings” or whatever, should be warrantied for at least 5/60 IMO. I do think Toyota should assume that risk, not the customer.

And I do think some 3rd gen owners take this too personally. I love the 3rd gen truck for the most part. If the motors weren’t eating bearings, I’d have 2 new ones sitting in my garage right now. But for me, I just can’t justify dropping $130K on two trucks without some assurance that the issue with the motor has been resolved. It’s not the truck, it’s the defective motor that’s keeping me on the sidelines. The 2025 that Ryan posted over on the FB group seems to have had the same failure. Something seems off with this motor, and I can’t bring myself to believe machining debris is still being left inside motors after all that’s happened.

In fairness, GM lifter issues won’t leave you stranded in the hammer lane, nor will eating 2 quarts of oil between changes, but I wouldn’t buy one of those GM 5.3 motors again either. Toyota’s motor fails catastrophically, and I’m sure it’s why the NHTSA recall was pursued in the name of safety.

 

"we need to see the first trucks repaired..." Are you forming a coalition? The good news is that it doesn't impact you.

 

I’d say it doesn’t impact you, you’ve bought your ticket and you’re on the ride regardless of what happens. I’m waiting to buy, based on how the repairs go for you guys.

 

If you own a GEN3, you're involved. If you don't, you're a spectator.