Tundra engine recall - interesting news

If you mean big jump, probably yes...just in the process of dickering with the dealership! Customer service these days are in the shitter with dealerships IMO. Or, the sales guys are so fake that its pure nausium having to talk to them. Not all just maybe this dealership I am dealing with. My guess is I will be going up about $200-$300/mo to jump to the Pro.

 

Come to Calgary. I just had the most pleasant dealership experience. Have been looking at Tundra's to replace my 2016 F-150. They had a couple SR5 8' beds on the lot and the specs showed a payload of 1800lbs. I have been hearing that you're lucky to find a Tundra with a 1500lb payload so thought those must be Limiteds or Platinums all loaded up etc. Walked into the showroom and they had one of the trucks I wanted to check out on the floor. I checked the door sticker and sure enough payload was 1510lbs. Not sure where the 300lb discrepancy in payload is coming from. I had a good look at that truck, plus a Limited with 6.5' bed inside as well, spent over 30 minutes in and out of the trucks, looking under them, around them and never had anyone approach or talk to me. It was great.

Really trying to decide if I absolutely *need* the 8' bed (I believe so), but also am I OK giving up 200lbs of payload. I picked up some firewood on the way to the dealer...


I don't do it a lot but have used up nearly all my 1707lbs of payload on my F-150, this was only 1200lbs so well within limits of the Tundra.

 

This is not going to get better overnight, I have a feeling this is going to hamper things for longer than people might think.

 

As long as you stay away from Jack Carter Chev, you're good.

 

@2wheelsforfun My Crew Limited with the 6.5 bed had a payload sticker showing 1,390 lbs. I was also wondering where the marketed 1,940 lbs of payload came from? There doesn't seem to be any trucks out there with that sticker!

I found my Crew 6.5' bed to be huge for space. 8 foot sheets or skids loaded in the bed all worked. It is are probably the same wheelbase as your F150. I was never a fan of the smaller back seat area so went for the Crewmax.

 

I bought mine at South Pointe Toyota and they have been great!!

 

I will say my 2019 TRD Pro with the 5.7 was a much better experience all around. I know the HP and torque numbers are silly on the 3rd gen.., but knowing what I know now, would have kept that 2.5 gen with proven V8. Actually, everything about that truck was better. The 2023 is an underwhelming plastic rattle trap (but at least it has a cool UI and interactive screen).

Hmm, oh well, truly hope everyone loves theirs like I loved that 2019, but I can honestly say I wouldn't recommend this platform to anyone, and might be a long time before I can do so.

Whining over.., except it looks like Michigan might beat Ohio State, and if they pull this off, there needs to be a job posting in Columbus before the end of the weekend!



Happy Holidays gang, health, safety, and happiness to all.

 

At least he owns a 3rd gen, but…

 

Sad to see what seems to be the same issue in the 2025s.

 

if this truly is the same issues (sounds like it) it’s completely unacceptable that toyota hasn’t found the fix in 3 years. I was hoping that my 24 with the 7/24 build I’d have all the updates and nothing to worry about. I guess only time will tell if I am one of the unlucky ones.

 

Man, if this turns out to be another bearing failure, it's gotta be a bad design. Starved for oil? Journals too small? Does anyone even know? Sure as hell the fairy tale of "machining debris" will be officially put to rest, as it should have long ago anyway. And "if" true, Toyota is just playing the same game Hyundai/Kia have in finding a way to continue sales in the face what's simply a bad motor. I'm gonna follow this 2025 failure and I guess I'm going to start looking at the new Sierras.

 

A design flaw can't be fixed unless re-designed and re-engineered. Not all design flaws are made equal. I think they will experiment with patches until it sticks. Glad I don't have the 3rd gen and I went for a 2.5 gen instead.

And "machining debris" my arse.

 

It does seem like this problem has been around for a while. Add to the 3 years, the years before the this engine appeared in the Tundra, it was being used in some Lexus builds for a few years with some failures there too.

@JohnWhicker makes a valid point and it seems that Toyota has been working on the patches for some time. They may have slowed the failures but they still have some. The frequency may be lessening but everyone is so keyed up about this issue so it becomes a disaster when a failure occurs!

I am watching my dealer try to sell my 22 with extremely low miles and a few upgrades. The only people to look at it and the ones who want to talk about engine failures! The market perception seems to be negative towards the Gen 3's and especially the 22 model year.

I told the dealer that this is a pretty good situation for the buyer since they have a super low mileage truck and will be getting a new upgraded motor soon, So it will be a good bet to get that one and save a bunch of money over a 24 or 25 but still have the newer engine.

 

I find it funny reading through here how many people seem to insinuate that the Tundra remains the best 1/2 ton option, because "all the other manufacturers have their problems too". As if chewed up main bearings isn't pretty much the most devastating mechanical failure of the bunch.

The same flawed logic also insinuates one has no choice but to pay $60k+ for a new truck (and again Tundras the best option in that group), because heaven forbid you not drive the lastest, most tech-laden vehicle.

 

well that’s just it. What is the actual failure rate? My guess is not that high. Everyone just eats up the bad news. With the way people post you would think it’s every truck that rolls of the assembly line. Again hopefully I am not an unlucky one. It does also seem the people without the gen 3s are seeming to stir it up the most.

 

I have been looking at a Tundra to replace my 2016 F-150. Looking at SR5s with an 8' bed, which currently is the *only* 1/2T available on the market with an 8' bed. And I sure wouldn't call the SR5 tech laden. Give me heated seats and a heated steering wheel and I'm happy, don't even care to pair my phone with a car.

 

That's not true. F150 and the GM 1/2 tons are available with an 8 foot bed.

 

So I think you missed my point. My point is simply this: if Tundras with motor issues are the best new 1/2 ton truck option, why don't more people look at lower-mileage used trucks (ideally those with better track records for reliability).

 

@Red&03Taco The way I was looking at it, was that failures will happen across all manufacturers but I was waiting to see how Toyota would deal with the fall out and how they would take care of us customers.

I continued to pay for my truck since May while I didn't use it much at all. I did this with the expectation that Toyota would take care of us. We got ghosted by them and the dealership. We weren't going to cancel our travel plans for 2025.

We held out as long as we could bear it, but after experiencing Toyota Canada's poor customer service and the dealership having less faith in the product than we did, we decided to jump ship.

 

Conversely - with all the engines dying with less than 50,000 miles - what are the chances of the ones remaining making it to 250k miles?

 

Toyota might have a major malfunction on their hands, and their claim to have found the problem with the V6 motor might not be a truthful statement. This is going to be interesting what will happen now!

 

We may never know because they'll all trade up for a new one every 18 months

 

Maybe “not Ryan” got the vin number wrong and all you non owners got a head fake

 

Im a Toyota guy too, but come on. Toyota isn’t dropping a few billion (???) replacing every motor on the 2022s and 2023s because the failure rate is anywhere close to “normal” or “small.” These motors are going to continue to fail at a rate that’s high enough to justify an ENORMOUSLY expensive and embarrassing safety recall campaign. This is a nightmare and a PR disaster for Toyota in North America. Where’s the justification for paying more for Toyota reliability/durability and giving up tech/capacity/etc with a domestic? And also agree with a poster above that other than the Hyundai/Kia motor disaster, there are not even remotely equivalent problems to the main bearing failures in the 3.4TT in any of the current domestic offerings. And I haven’t read a single thread about the new GM turbo max 4 cylinder having any major issues at all… this should be a wake up call to Toyota engineers.

 

Yea I get that, that makes sense. I'm more surprised that 4 years in, with some failures still occuring that people still claim it's the best new 1/2 ton option, because "all manufacturers have issues".

 

I think it’s the best 1/2 ton because I like it better than all the others

 

Sure, a regular cab XL.

 

Then you need to add the other features that exclude them. Just saying an 8 foot bed isn't available as a blanket statement is still false.

 

I think you can get an 8' bed in all the makes but I don't think a crew cab with 8' bed is available. I think I saw a Ram with a crew and 8' bed in a 3500. But not a in a 1/2 ton.

 

I agree with this. I am not saying any of this is ok or we should be ok with it. Clearly there is an issue that isn’t figured out. That bothers me more than the recall. They know the bearing fails but, haven’t found a way to keep it from failing. So really a new motor means nothing. I bought my truck figuring that they did their job and had it fixed. I do not want to be their R and D team. I guess it will be wait and see for me.