Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Interestingly, I have never had an issue with my radio knob. Wonder what all the fuss is about???

 

Lol & thanks!
Here is the interior at 110k, & no broken seat either, sorry to disappoint all those with cracked seat plastic


I weigh 135 & am 5'6"
A feather can't hurt anything
Haha

But this feather built this home all by himself over the past three years, so just because I'm small don't mean I can't do big thangs

 

^^^ Nice job!

 

You have the small screen I see. Our knobs are fine, it’s just the wagon wheel sized knob on the 14”er that breaks. Probably too much torque!

 

size matters

 

tee it up for ya !!

 

Yes. Yes it does. But a broken knob is no good. Even if it’s huge!

 

don’t have one so I’m good

 

Oh no! Did it break?

 

sent it to a 21 owner as a token of the gen 3 appreciation

 

Well, he’s full of it anyhow. They arent swapping anyone new motors yet. They said they will start that but not when. They’ve only been rebuilding. Of course begs the question about their confidence in new motors coming off the line.

 

Please post your dealers name as I think they will have thousands of owners showing up asking for a new engine tomorrow based on the “anytime they want” claim.

Yes Toyota NA said they will replace engines with new ones in the last letter, but most importantly made zero commitment as to when, where or how. Basically, a “ please don’t worry, keep buying”, letter. Still refused to commit on an actual timeline Or detailed course of action.

I really really hope a new letter comes out soon with actual details on how this is gonna work. I’d love to get back on the Tundra train.

If they continue the current glacial rate of progress on this recall (now talk of all 2024’s being added), I fear actual new motors could be years away.

At this point that dealer making a claim like that is like Elon Musk claiming “I can fly you to Mars anytime you want.” Translation, keep buying as I need money because this is proving super hard and expensive.

 

Dan Deery Toyota is my dealer in Cedar Falls, Iowa. They were told by Toyota when they had a big pow wow in Vegas that's what the plan was, they are in the process of sending out an updated recall letter, anyway that's how I understand it and was explained to me, I too find it hard to believe and I'll wait till the letter arrives. My dealer is very proactive to stay on top of things and are very good to work with.

 

Personally, I'm not totally convinced it's machining debris causing these issues. They've been building almost identical V6 engines for years. Just seems odd to me that when twin turbos are added, then longevity issues crop up. I just think there's more to it than what they are letting on.

 

It was 100% a debris issue. The NHTSA would not allow Toyota to make up some story.

 

Ever considered an oil analysis? I started a thread for 100k+ mile engines. All gens welcome. If you do send some off for a sample, would you mind posting it in this thread?

 

My dealer said that they have done two engine swaps, both were full long block assemblies, no rebuilding of the original engine. Of course these were trucks where the engine had failed. So, evidently they are already shifting away from short block rebuilds for failed engines.

 

They have for months. If a truck is not in the recall and the engine fails, it is a long block aka partial engine assembly.

 

I did a bunch of black stone oil tests on my 2013 gen2 taco as the miles racked up (reached 398k before i sold it), but not on my gen3 tundra....maybe I'll do it at 120k
& upload the report to your thread

 

I would venture to say that a shortblock rebuild for some toyota dealer techs would be a challenge.
(not saying everywhere, but for me the ones I have dealt with werent very passionate about what they do)

The only way to guarantee a manufacturer's set standard, gotta send out the long blocks.

Wonder if they are going to refurbish parts to keep costs down on long blocks.

 

The tech I talked to during my test ride (I have my truck at the shop for a throttle lag issue) told me they have altered the block design at the main bearings. The way I understand what I was told is the block now incorporates a way to accept a tang on the bearing to keep it from spinning and an altered bolt pattern. It could have been a debris issue, but the need for a new bolt pattern on the bottom end makes me believe a bit more went into this fix.

 

I'm pretty sure the option of returning cores for "remanufacture" has been discussed. The legal dept. probably needs to decide what the meaning of "new" is in regards to customer rights.

 

I'm with you that there's probably more to this than machining debris. But a tang on a bearing is only to help ensure it's properly located during assembly. A tang will not prevent a bearing from spinning if let's say debris or excessive heat buildup causes it to want to spin.

The bolt pattern tidbit is more interesting and indicative of a bigger problem. But maybe the tang indicates some engines were actually just assembled improperly from the getgo with the bearings not properly located and Toyota engineers added a tang to prevent that (then again you'd think those engines would fail immediately if that was really the case). Who knows though, we'll never get the real story

 

Our dealership was told we are getting a new engine hoist and 3 crate motors.

 

"The tech I talked to during my test ride (I have my truck at the shop for a throttle lag issue) told me they have altered the block design at the main bearings. The way I understand what I was told is the block now incorporates a way to accept a tang on the bearing to keep it from spinning and an altered bolt pattern. It could have been a debris issue, but the need for a new bolt pattern on the bottom end makes me believe a bit more went into this fix."

This is much more like it.

Rear main bearings "walking out", bearings spinning, etc. would seem to be much more indicative of the bearing "girdle" flexing, moving, or being misaligned. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, the machining debris issue would seem to be just an unhappy coincidence. If the machining debris issue hadn't occurred, and the other is true, it's likely the scope of the issue (known failures) would have been much smaller and perhaps not addressed as quickly.

 

Extremely unlikely as every single process in the assembly process would have to be changed. And not only in TMMAL, but in Japan as well.

Nope.

 

Quite honestly the best thing for Toyota to do would be buyback on these, the fix is not enough (they should have issued 10 year 125k warranties for all affected and refunded those who bought) and given how long the fuel line repair has taken buybacks would get customers into newer trucks if they still have confidence in the product and Toyota can take there time fixing 100k trucks and consumers can make the decision on whether or not there worth the price.

 

"Nope" without context is meaningless.

 

Concur ... people in the know just regurgitate and spew the information that Toyota feeds them.