Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Nice job Matt, you should be proud!

 

This guy gets it. The only time I've reposted stuff from FB is when someone comes in to say it's a made up problem and there hasn't been a failure since last spring. Inevitably, there are new failures on the FB groups every 2-3 days - sometimes multiple per day.

To those that say they're made up posts - I can't imagine thinking to myself I'm so important and amazing people I don't know will make up stories about a truck they don't have just to bring me down.

 

That is sweet! You should be proud of your work as it looks amazing. Love the sticks on the floor and the quality of the work looks amazing. Great job!

 

And we all love you for keeping us informed!

 

The Reddit reposts of a Facebook post that were of a tundra in a garage that was a friend of the paperboy are invaluable primary research data.
I think if the Gen2 guys expended similar scour the earth capabilities both Amelia Earhart and MH370 would be found by now.

 

How are the new brakes?

 

Replaced with OEM. Disappointing that the RF warped. I don't rage about Toyota even though I think it should have been on their dime. If I was raging about it at least it was something that affected me not some random ass complaint about something I don't own.

 

I believe GM, Kia, and Hyundai all extended warranties for their problem engines.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/05/gm-6-2l-v8-l87-recall-good-engines-to-get-extended-warranty-coverage/amp/

https://www.kiaenginesettlement.com/Home/FAQ

https://autoservice.hyundaiusa.com/TXXM/MicroSiteTemplate/MicroSiteTemplateVINValidate/3989

 

Fair enough, but I would take toyota's resale value even with a replaced engine over hyundai or kia.........

 

I don't disagree with you. You simply asked for who was doing more than a just a recall... it isn't unprecedented to extend warranty across the board to ease customers concerns about holding the bag with a dead engine.

 

When did you stop towing? I only ask because I seen a lot of pushback lately against the common "they dont make them like they used to" tropes on social media and YouTube. And that pushback usually sounds just like what you stated (70s and 80s cars were full of problems and 100k miles was commonly considered end of life for those cars).

While that all may be true it ignores 90s and 2000s cars that are 20-30 years old now and have by and large proven to be far more reliable and better built than those aforementioned 70s and 80s junkers, and I'd bet may also prove to be more reliable and better built than COVID and post-COVID era vehicles.

 

Yes - that sweet spot where we had EFI but didn't rely on a computer for all million functions of the vehicle.

This is what we have on our boat and it is truly the pinnacle of automotive engineering. Pre catalytic converter - toggle switches for all accessories, no screens.

 

Precisely.

I feel thats one of the big perks of later 2.5 Gens, because you get a truck designed in the mid-2000s paired with somewhat modern interior touches.

 

The other thing is that those other manufacturers are not replacing engines, correct? They're simply ofering an extended warranty? They aren't offering a replaced engine AND and extended warranty? Is that right? If so, it is MUCH cheaper on the corporation to offer the paper warrnaty that may never be executed vs replacing an engine. Does Toyota have a timeframe that you need to replace the engine? I ask because if there is say a three year window that Tundra owners could get an engine replacement, doesn't that effectively act as an extended warranty. Maybe not apples to apples, but my point is, the notion that Toyota doesn't care about or isn't taking care of their customers seems to be an (understandably) emotional response to a shitty situation.......just my .02

 

No - they are also swapping engines as needed. Believe the are doing oil tests - ones that test bad get replaced. Ones that test okay get an extended warranty.

Ask a hybrid Tundra owner how confident they feel in Toyota's approach. They get nada. No recall, no extended warranty. Just a $30k repair bill.

 

Your 2019 has held its value extremely well. The Gen 3s not so much.

I just checked Kelly Blue Book. The average resale of a 2019 crewmax is $32,268. The average resale for a 2022 crewmax is....wait for it....$33,227. And your 2019 actually has a higher trade-in value than a 2022.

I know KBB isn't always 100% accurate, but it is fairly good "guide", I believe.

https://www.kbb.com/toyota/tundra-crewmax/2019/depreciation/

https://www.kbb.com/toyota/tundra-crewmax/2022/depreciation/

 

I wonder if using a 2022 recalled truck is hitting even harder?

 

Just to play devil's advocate, imagine having to pick one of the following 2 choices:

A) You get a new engine installed for free right now, and get a 12 month/12k mile warranty on the new engine afterwards. Let's just assume you've heard that some of these replacement engines have suffered catastrophic engine failures.

B) You get an extended 10-year/125k mile warranty, but keep your engine that may have an increased risk of grenading itself.

It seems to me that option A is only better if you have a fairly high level of certainty that that new motor will last > 125k miles, otherwise an extended warranty on the "flawed" motor makes more sense.

 

I think if you bought the 10/125K OEM warranty , you have that no either way and no matter what?

I may buy that before next may when my deadline is.

 

I stopped in the late 80s so I don't have any experience with the 90s and 00s (other than owning some). Are those years more reliable? Possibly. Not sure how to gather that data so it could very well be true. One thing about having been in the towing business is I notice cars when they are broken down on the side of the road, and over the years there are fewer and fewer despite there being more cars. That leads me to conclude that cars have gotten more reliable over the years, not less. Just my humble opinion....

 

You may very well be right. That being said, my point was moreso that an extended warranty on every Tundra might have actually been a more assuring response to Tundra owners than total engine replacements with such a measley warranty on them.

And it would obviously be way cheaper. I assume it just wasn't an option due to the recall being a safety recall. But had Toyota perhaps responded very promptly with an action like that, maybe NHTSA never "politely asks them" to issue a safety recall.

 

ya who knows, I don't disagree with you but, it really doesn't matter until they fix this once and for all.

 

I will exceed the oem warranty at ~11mos. I bought the 5yr 125k Toyota extended.

If I have an engine failure during that time, the only way I will keep the truck is if there is a well defined and explained solution to the problems going on now. Even then, I would have to think about it.

Currently, I foresee trading at 5yrs. I love the truck, but too many unknowns at the moment to get too comfortable.

 

I have the 10yr/125K extended warranty. For me, where the rubber meets the road is how will Toyota repair my truck, if the engine blows? Will it be a bandaid short block repair, with hundreds of parts scattered all over the service dept floor, and a disgruntled tech doing the work? Or, will I get a complete new engine replacement like the recalled trucks? The latter would be the only acceptable choice for me.

 

So, just to be clear, your issue is with how much the dealer touches your truck?

I can’t argue. I don’t want anyone fondling my truck any more than absolutely necessary.

The problem I have is, even with a crate motor, you still have the same design and same risk as a 2023 with 3 miles, right?

 

Dropped off my truck yesterday at 10:45 for the motor swap. Got a call at 5pm today saying it was done.

Is there a thread on issues to watch out for after the engine replacement/things to inspect? I did a search and didn’t find a thread related to that specifically.

I hope they didn’t screw anything up. Just got back from a 9,000 mile loop to the Rockies and back towing an 8,000 or so pound camper. It ran flawlessly. Plenty of power at all elevations. Just loved it (except for fuel mileage, but I expected that).

thx

Dave

 

There is a thread on “post long block” experience

 

to play devils advocate to that I would say how many people who own Kia’s or Hyundai’s keep them for 10 years? If you’re out of warranty on a recall and you get a new engine with a 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty you’re getting a new engine and extended warranty. My point being, at the end of that 10 years you have way more equity in a Toyota than a Kia or Hyundai which essentially become disposable at the and if that cycle with very little value

 

The reports have been generally positive, with a few exceptions. Not much to watch out for other than leaks, or cosmetic damage.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/post-long-block-replacement-experiences.153712/

 

Thanks for that link. Would never have thought to search for that title.