Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Having just one engine option sucks. Everybody else offers (and has historically) multiple options. No reason they couldn't continue offering the V8 along with this V6. All it needed was a little updating. You'd have all those who want all that new tech but you'd also retain tons of customers who went elsewhere because of no V8.

 

there is a reason though, and it is THE reason, the 5.7 was terrible for emissions standards.

and it needed more than a "little updating" to meet emission and expected power outputs given the displacement.

it is what it is.

 

This is correct, sadly.
If I were Toyota, I'd scrap the Tundra (as a half-ton) and just sell the Tacoma (they've steadily increased the size of the Taco with each revision) and it should handle what most half-ton folks need.

Re-introduce the Tundra as a true ¾ ton. 6+ Liter NA V8- falls outside of the EPA crap (which is how the big 3 skirt it). No need for diesel, no need for DEF/emissions garbage.
Very little doubt that everyone on this forum would buy one as it would handle 98% of folks' super-duty needs (outside of diesel/dually territory); They'd sell more "Tundras" than they ever had before. Extended cab 8' bed, Crew Max 6' Bed. 4x4 only. 40+ Gal tank. Sr5, Platinum, 1794 trims only.

 

Dam dude, you gotta be having a huge issue with AI then…LOL….just having a little fun with this….but I do like the tech in my truck. Im not invested in 1970 anymore.

 

I have to disagree big time in reality, I get the want.

why would toyota scrap the 1/2 ton tundra when its selling better than ever consistently.

the 3/4 ton + market is an entirely different animal, toyota would have a really really hard time getting anywhere near that. would they sell a few to the die hards? yes

would they come anywhere near that they sell in 1/2 tons? NO WAY.

fleets and dudes rolling into jobs or commercial applications are not going to be buying 3/4 ton tundras, and you would 100% need that to move the numbers you're talking about.

just my .02 , but it doesnt matter, they arent going to do this either.

 

It depends. When I need to find the answer to something in a pinch, Google AI does a pretty good job of getting me the info. I don't know a whole lot about AI but I suppose I'll have to learn in the coming decades.

I grew up riding tons and tons of miles in my dad's F-250. Regular cab, no frills truck with a 4-speed manual. I guess that's kind of what I think about when truck comes to mind. My thought is if you want soft leather seats, giant screens, etc then get a Mercedes or Lexus. Lol

 

Exactly, as soon as your step into the 3/4 ton market you need a 3/4 and 1 ton offering as well. Can't make it with just a 3/4

 

and a hell of a lot more options (5th wheel,) etc.

it would be a blood bath, you cant just stick full floaters on and call it a 3/4 ton.

SRW, DRW, and so on.

 

Ford offers a solid V8 choice for the purists vs. the 3.5 Ecoboost. 5.0 sales continue to grow vs the EcoBoost. based on customer demand. Oh wait, no it doesn't. Eco is the dominant choice.
Toyota would be out of business not #1 if forum members had design input.

 

Okay, so why can't they do that? The V6 being the volume seller and the V8 as an option.

 

toyota has never worked that way, thats why they traditionally had the simplicity and reliable you are talking about.

its also way more cost effective to repurpose 1 power plant in multiple vehicles, they have done this forever and will continue to do so.

there is a reason at one time, toyota could have bought the big 3 for cash from their reserves, they know how to make money efficiently, and thats what companies do.

unfortunately, a few die hards on a website wanting a V8 doesn't mean shit.

Im not saying this is what I want or I agree, just telling you the facts

 

Not enough volume to support the costs I'm sure. The V8 diehards are diminishing and don't buy as frequently.

 

You are right, but the Tundra used to offer 3 engines. 5.7, 4.7(4.6) and 4.0

 

and they were all used in many platforms.

and hardly anyone bought the 4.6 or 4.0

 

x100
Good summary.
Obvious

 

Oh I agree, the 5.7 was by far the biggest mover, but the consumer had the option

 

if you look the V35 and its variants are used all over the place in toyota and Lexus.

like or not.

mines been great so far, like it over the 5.7 in every way except sound and idle smoothness, I chalk up the latter to the port and DI switching on and off..

but it sounds like shit as does all other 6s

 

not for long they didnt.

it doesnt make business sense to give options when no body is buying them in large enough numbers to warranty the R&D, parts, building, etc.

same think happened to the regular cab, some loved that, but that "some" was way too small.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd trade in my Gen 3 for a brand new 2.5 in a heartbeat. Heck, I'm even considering trading it in for a used 2.5, if I can find the right one.

I'm sure I'm in the minority, though.

 

Lots of talk about what makes Toyota Toyota - I'll add this,
Historically, Toyotas were one of the longest owned, longest lasting, most reliable vehicles on the planet. The average duration of ownership for the former full sized LandCruiser was 12 years - by far the longest of any major car model. Even the 3rd gen apologists on this forum have hinted at or outright said they're looking to move on from the 3rd gen. The oldest 3rd gen isn't even 4 years old.

you guys can say this is how they do it all you want - this isn't the same product.

 

Not even close for me. I drove Asheville to Miami last week. 800 miles straight through. I'll do the return with a bed full of stuff. My truck has plenty of power, quiet, smooth as silk and I use a bunch of the tech stuff even though I think the implementation of some of it sucks. When I drive a 2.5 it feels slow with a throttle you have to floor to get the engine to respond. Then it's a huge downshift and lots of revs. It was 10yrs too late when they stopped selling it and I had one. I've been mildly annoyed with my brakes and the dealer but even with that I have zero interest in a 2.5.

 

none of them are, the company has moved away from making everything else second to reliability.

I blame the media for constantly dinging them for lack or features or excitement, that was the narrative forever.

message received......

there are plenty of older ones around for those that want that can buy those

that said, I have a 2023 platinum tundra, 2023 AWD 25th anniversary Sienna, my sister has a 2025 corolla cross , my mom as a 2024 platinum Venza

0 problems so far, which is good way to proceed.

 

Hard to argue that, Toyota went from the "old peoples" car to the new flashy, fancy car and reliability took the hit

 

ya me either, Ive had 5 tundras all were good, pros and cons. my 2.5 gen rode like shit and its not like it was for the trade off of payload, it had like 1100 lbs lol, my wife's minivan has more than that.

I wouldn't want to go back either, this one is way smoother, rides way better, tows WAY better, is 100% more comfortable and the AVS and Load leveling rear are awesome.

there is a ton more I like better as well.

if I wanted I could get any 2.5 gen I wanted for the price I paid for this, I have 0 interest in that.

that said, I do understand the converse viewpoints, I get that. For a guy like @AZBoatHauler who wants to off-road and wants 100% reliable over anything else by far, the 2.5 gen is perfect, nice thing is, you can just run that forever and the rest doesnt matter.

 

I guess this is what Toyota wants - buy new and buy often. I think the Toyota enthusiasts are the ones still driving rigs built 10-20 years ago because they work and why replace something that works.... but as you guys are pointing out - we don't pad Toyotas bottom line with new purchases every few years and the economics of car building has gone off the rails.

 

yep, the entire market went that way, I blame the media and most YouTube reviewer guys just focusing on nothing but who has the most advanced tech where the truck can drive itself, etc

as much as I like SOME of the new tech, its way too much and there is no end in sight. I can drive my own truck FFS

 

I think your right and didnt go far enough, its what the entire industry wants and has been worked towards for a long time and the media has poured rocket fuel on it with their stupid focus on tech in their reviews.

that said, while the entire industry is heading that way, toyota is still the most reliable overall generally speaking of the others, not that offers comfort to the customer of yesteryear

I just cant get it out of my head the damn ford didnt even make it out of my test drive without taking a shit, lol. I mean damn.

 

Because I believe they would sell more ¾ ton Tundras than half tons. (true ¾ tons - not just airbags and what-not like Nissan tried to do). I don't think jumping into the 1-ton is necessary either (nor fleet, nor commercial - box beds, vans etc). Maybe adding a 5th wheel hitch option for the camper crowd.
Jobsites are one thing. Which is as you've indicated a tough nut to crack. Plenty of camper / boat community crowd properly towing their campers with Domestic ¾ tons with a Sienna, Honda Pilot, or Rav-4 back home in their driveway. Hell even some you see towing the RAV-4 behind the camper. I also think the Bro-dozer crowd is underestimated. ever been to NE North Carolina? The amount of unnecessary ¾ ton pavement princess trucks there is staggering. Also, Campers and guys towing boats bigger than they should be (with their current ½ ton). And you'd even get first timers (as I said in another post, maybe a different thread) - the 3rd Gen has more 1st Time Toyota buyers than any gen prior (except maybe the 1st). Just look at the progression of size/ capacity increases from T100 -> 1st Gen -> 2+ Gen. There are plenty of ½ ton guys that see "12000lb tow capacity" and buy that camper/boat/ etc that would be in the Toyota ¾-ton market.
I'm not sure how many members are in the HD private message, but it should tell you something that they're all still hanging around on a Toyota forum despite their current rig.

I don't know, obviously my $.02 as well; Risky? Sure. But I think completely lucrative.

 

I absolutely agree on the first part. The Big 3 just beat them to the punch.
For the second part, I'll admit I don't have enough knowledge to have an opinion. I wouldn't touch a new GM with a 39 and a half foot pole.

 

I still have my 20 year old 210K miles Corolla...and I am NOT making this up, the ONLY thing I replaced is a starter and that was because I wanted to at 200K miles lol It was still going just fine. Original compressor, alt, engine trans....car is amazing, except the paint, that fell off years ago lol