Tundra engine recall - interesting news

I did a Livestream last night on this topic and it was interesting to say the least. I brought up the 200k mile Tundra forum members found and 2 Ford F-150 with the EcoBoost engine with one nearing 200k and another one in the 250k range without any turbo replacements or major issues per the CarFax report.

This was met with pushback that 300k miles and 15 years is the new standard.

When I was growing up 100k miles was about max.

Here's my question. What is it going to take? For example, the Ford F-150 Ecoboost 3.5L V6 came out in 2011. That's 14 years ago. If they were all crap, Ford wouldn't have expanded the availability of EcoBoost engines with the 2.7L joining the 3.5L V6 and limiting the availability of the 5.0L V8. Toyota and Ram have both now dropped the V8 for turbo engines.

I'm just scratching my head. Apparently, I'm a "shill" for not calling out how terrible turbos are in every review I do for reliability. Yet, I look at the data and it tells a different story.

What am I missing and what is it going to take for turbo haters to believe in a new engine.

 

Get Vic Sheppard a 3rd Gen and let him rack up a million miles.

 

I recently got a lot of pushback over that idea as well since a Million Mile truck has mostly highway miles and those miles "don't count." Seriously, I think no matter what truck I find people are going to find a reason to dismiss it.

 

Folks are funny.

 

Y’all inferred that I think individuals that don’t sell or trade their third gen are irrational. I never implied that directly or indirectly.

There can be and are very rational reasons for keeping a 3rd gen. However, it mostly seems to be a childish “ I love my 3rd gen and its better than your 2nd gen” that I really don’t care about. But y’all have at it.

 

I personally never inferred anything. My statement was in general for anyone and any subject period. The problem today is too many people think their opinion is the only correct opinion. I have nothing wrong with any previous generation Tundra. I can't stand the earlier years that were so plain jane and fugly to me. That is my opinion for myself and would never have one, but understand all who appreciate what they like. I don't have to drive it, lol. That's all !

 

OK sure, society. Every society similar to ours around the world where if you disagree with someone, they are irrational and your opinion or the opinions you agree with are the only ones that make sense. The original post was opinion based. An opinion he is a 100% entitled to. Others have different experience and thus different opinions. It doesn’t make it more or less rational.

I would appreciate if you could point to any of my specific irrational posts. I stand up for my opinion and experience. As for the argue/challenge comment, go read what I actually said instead of what you think I meant. I have stated repeatedly that I am fully aware of the chance of a failure but willing to take the chance because I believe it to be within the risk I’m willing to accept. Are you saying I’m not allowed to argue or challenge statements I disagree with?Especially from people that don’t even have any experience with a vehicle I have been driving for almost 3 years? If that is irrational posts to you, you’re just proving my point.

 

Once again, you are inferring and claiming things that I didn’t write. You also have a different understanding of the word “rational”. You seem to be under the impression that it means good or correct. Or at least you think that’s what I think it means.

“Rational” is not a word that has to do with expressed opinion. It is synonymous with logical. It is not debatable based on opinions.

 

Underwhelming. I don’t know another term to describe the 5.7 when comparing it to the iForce or iForce max. Real driving experience doesn’t lie. I owned a 2020 with the 5.7 and performance wise in every aspect, this new powertrain outperforms the 5.7 and is more suited for truck duty. The power delivery is way better and gets off the line instantly with gobs of torque. I’m running on E rated 35’s and have squealed my tires a few times when not even mashing the pedal down. With the 5.7, I felt like it needed to rev higher to get up to speed and make more power. The ONLY thing the 5.7 has on the new powertrain performance wise is the sound of it. I don’t really care about the V8 sound as I don’t really want to wake up my kids in the morning when I’m leaving for work at the crack of dawn.

 

Yes, I know what the word means and by your own definition, I’m correct in my first reply. You inferred that the post you quoted was based on logic and reason, aka rational. Implying that all other trains of thought was not. This is where the opinion part comes in. It’s rational IN YOUR OPINION! But rational is a finite statement in this case because it doesn’t allow for a different conclusion to be based on reason or logic, hence irrational. Thats what I was pointing out. What don’t you understand here?

 

Can we get back on topic and start figuring out whose salting the damn engines already.

 

Pretty Please!

 

I would like to know more about any info on the recall motors failing. It was said that dealership were talking amongst themselves about failures, but I wonder if this was actually talk of the recall motors coming in damaged from shipping. We have seen a few of those, and to put peoples minds at easy, we have yet to "repair" damaged motor and use it. Toyota has sent us replacement long blocks for the damaged units.

 

I always talk to the service manager at toyota while I was getting my oil changed, he's a cool dude. I asked him point blank about the recall and he said to be honest, they've had a lot of failures for the 2022. I told him to my knowledge, the part wasnt changed until 2024. So I told him obviously maybe the mileage of the 2023 hadn't reached that point for most but he actually disagreed. He said from his vantage point, it is mostly 2022s and that a lot of 2023's at this point had passed the mileage where the 2022's were failing, but obivously that's anecdotal. He obviously knows that 2023's and 2024's have failed, but he said from his vantage point it is far more uncommon than in 2022's with same mileage

 

Did he mention what that mileage was?

 

Here is a question.

I am assuming that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) initiates the safety recall process and then the manufacture have to provide all the particulars around the recall and what will be done about it. If people are still exhibiting the same failures beyond the recall engine manufacturing range then why hasn't the NHTSA done something about it yet and forced Toyota to expand those dates?

I also think that Hybrids not being part of this safety recall is travesty and the excuse that the electric motors are enough to get you out of every conceivable situation could be a recipe for disaster. I am holding the NHTSA as much accountable to this as Toyota because they are the watchdogs. I sure hope no one gets seriously injured or dies because of this before all the engines are replaced by Toyota.

 

nope. Deducing from the Excel sheet though it seems like 32k is the avg.

 

I read he was also putting up to 2700 lb worth of parts in the bed. Truck didn’t care.

 

I think mileage alone is poor gauge. A truck that sees mostly city miles might have fewer miles on the odometer, but more combustion cycles than a truck with mostly highways miles.

I've always felt hours of run time would be a better gauge for maintenance and evaluating failure data....like boats, tractors, etc...

 

or an F-150...

 

I think because Toyota took charge and offered to replace 100k motors. As far as I know, no one has even stubbed a toe because of the recall, so NHTSA really has nothing to complain about. I also think the hybrids aren't a safety issue, just an annoyance issue, car still "works".

Being on a local board, I will tell you this. There are very specific things that need to be done to qualify for any outcome we might like to see. The folks on the board are not allowed to go outside their lane. Their lane at the NHTSA is probably pretty small after decades of lobbying.

 

When Toyota themselves tells the NHTSA that the Hybrid powered vehicles will still have "motive power" and in the real world that has proven to be false, what then? Toyota thinks it should be one way but it isn't that way in reality. Toyota even had failures in their own corporate fleet, including Hybrid powered Tundras.

 

I think without a doubt that verbiage was a really bad decision on someone's part and has led to a lot more problems. If they just said, "hybrids aren't affected" and left it at that, it would have caused a lot less drama IMO.

 

This is probably the most alarming thing about this recall, to me. Toyota's entire excuse for not including Hybrids in the safety recall (motive power after an engine failure) is a well known lie. As I understand it, the hybrids die exactly like the non-hybrids when the engine implodes.

How does NHTSA allow Toyota to make those false and potentially dangerous claims? Is there anyone spearheading the effort to enlighten the NHTSA, and expose Toyota's lies?

 

NHTSA would follow up, but they all got laid off. Too soon?

 

Can't access any information on Hybrids? Perhaps the investigation has something to do with the motive power thingy?

 

The recall was issued May 30, 2024. They've had enough time and information out there to make ammendments.

 

In automotive? That's just a drop in the bucket for timing. It took Toyota a long time to issue the recall. The Feds move even slower.

 

I have no doubt that the government is slow but it's not like they have to rewrite the entire safety notice. Just expand the dates and include the hybrids. That would be the right thing to do.