Tundra engine recall - interesting news

I understand that. Everything is still all speculation at this point though if we’re being honest. No one knows for absolute certain until Toyota releases info. All I’m saying is 3 other guys at work have 2022 and 2023 tundras that are regular iForce engines and are not involved in the engine recall. No one on this forum knows for sure unless you actually work for Toyota.

 

Lol. Another 2nd genner hopping on to give some “valuable” insight!

 

I think you missed the point. As it stands, there are dozens of confirmed failures on trucks that fall outside of the current recall. And speculation is the actual debris problem wasn't resolved until some time in 2024. If that's true, Toyota will likely have to expand the scope of the recall to include trucks built into late 2024.

I have a June 2023 build, so my truck is currently not included in the recall, but it seems very likely that it might be at some point in the future.

Even so, I'm not worried. If/when my truck is included, the dealerships should have the engine swap procedure down pat. As long as I don't have a engine failure that causes major inconvenience, or worse, I'll gladly take a new engine when that time comes.

 

And the information that Toyota released in regards to the recall is apparently BS according to a "member-in-the-know" here.

 

Got it. I understand. I just find it weird that there would still be outstanding 2022s and 2023s that aren’t a part of the recall. Just doesn’t make sense to me that some 2022s and 2023s are excluded from the recall.

 

Everything is BS unless it comes directly from Toyota at this point I guess lol

 

Or, it's all BS and we're all on our own.

 

Our Dealership in the Panhandle of Texas has ordered 2 short blocks THIS WEEK on 2023 Tundra's, they don't fall under the recall as of yet...

 

All I know is, I’m happy I bought an extended 10 year warranty as the wifey said this is the last truck I’m buying for a while!

 

Relevant and equal to your "valuable" data as well. You are welcome to insult my truck purchase, but I am not the one creating the division.

 

I happen to think Toyota won’t expand the recall unless Federal regulators from NHTSA launch an investigation.

 

Not insulting your truck purchase. Would never do that. But it seems to be a common trend on here with 2nd gen bashing 3rd gen and having no valuable insight to help 3rd gen owners out

 

I responded to the "facts" you presented, I did not "bash" anything or anyone. You classified me as a "2 genner", signifying something inferior and my input was not welcomed. I own a Toyota Tundra, same as you. Quit implying the 2nd gen vs 3rd gen BS, I'm not here for it.

 

If I were the owners of those trucks, and their engine failures are confirmed to be from "manufacturing debris", a short block replacement would not be an acceptable resolution.

How could Toyota justify replacing 102,000 long blocks that are currently in the recall, but only replace the short blocks on engines that fall outside of the recall, but failed from the same problem?

That seems like an attorney's wet dream, to me.

 

They are doing it, there are multiple examples on this website about it, and the new short blocks ain't cutting it. Toyota isn't what it used to be since Toyoda passed the torch over. People thinking it is, are living in a world that doesn't exist anymore.

 

That’s what the mob refers to as “a business decision”. It’s not personal.

 

Why would any attorney touch this? End of the day, the failed part has been replaced. Method is irrelevant. Toyota met their warranty obligation.

 

I'm aware of that, and it shocks me that those owners are accepting a short block resolution without consulting legal advise.

I'm not the litigious type, but I would definitely lawyer up in that situation.

 

Im not so sure, I really think they are and will go beyond what other manufactures would do with a shit situation like this. Thats all said in teh context of a large corporation that is profit driven. We arent going to get a small business level of care.

so, I don't know, just another viewpoint.

For me, I bought 3 vehicles in 2023

2023 Platinum tundra
2023 25th anniversary AWD Sienna
2023-24 Platinum Venza

not a problem with any of them so far, thats pretty toyota to me.

 

ya, you have to have damages, if they fix it, you have no damages.

I think they would have to prove like accelerated value lost or something more obscure.

am not a lawyer, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night (and married to a a lawyer, HA)

 

^^^^^^^^^^

 

Hmm, let's see, 102,000 engines get swapped with long blocks because they could fail from engine debris. But engines that fail from the same problem, but don't fall within Toyota's arbitrary recall range, only get short blocks?

I think I could get a lawyer to argue that case.

 

I'm seeing background changes and a direction I don't like. Their cars only having pop up screens in the dash disgust me beyond these motor issues. I can admit I have mentally turned against new Toyota and it's a fair amount of my own bias in my comment about them not being the same. With that admitted, I really do, deep down, believe that within a few years we will see these issues continue and form a pattern. They will be like ford, recalling everything 100 times and 1000 tsb's on every car, but the cars will be pretty good, and people will say "well they fixed it".

Hopefully you have no issues for the life of the cars beyond minor things. I am not rooting against owners of these newer cars and trucks, I just feel like something fundamentally changed over there, and again, its might be just in my head.

 

what are your damages under that scenario?

they fixed your truck

I agree on the optics, but I don't see a legal case with no damages, you'd have to argue lost value somehow

 

Perhaps I'm confused. A part failed, ok a large part. Regardless, when the vehicle leaves the dealership the vehicle has been repaired. Whether the engine was assembled in the dealer bay or at Toyota factory is irrelevant. Heck, who is to say the master tech in the dealer isn't better than what is supplied is some cases? I recall carfax could report a engine replacement, no details such as where replaced engine was assembled.

 

fair enough, if you don't like the new truck or cars, you're naturally going to feel a little sour on the entire deal.

I get that.

 

I don't think you're confused, they fix it, case closed

again, optics are different to many of that.

 

I have a 4/23 build and would certainly fight for a long block if needed. I wonder if there's some tax/accounting/etc reason in the background that keeps those long blocks for recall affected trucks only. I wouldn't be surprised.

We should also keep in mind that while we're told debris may have existed through November 2024 builds, it may have been at a much smaller level. So rather than 40/100 expected to fail, maybe only 1/100 between recall end date and Nov 24. Obviously I grabbed those numbers from my backside, but if the failure rate from 2/23-11/24 isn't expected to be significant, then I wouldn't expect the recall to expand beyond it's current date scope. I still think the affected hybrids will eventually get in there, or at least I hope they do for those that have them.

 

Toyota is an ultra conservative company, very slow to change and adopt new tech. It may be that their manufacturing process is so absolutely globally dialed in that an issue causing failures from different factories at completely random mileages is pretty dang hard and expensive to figure out. Remember, the recall is a safety recall—it’s not like they’re recalling the main bearing (that’s not even the one that fails in all cases). With failures still happening (apparently at lower rates) after the recall window, it seems all but guaranteed that Toyota will increase the recall range. They do have a history of taking care of issues better than other automakers.

The thing that would be super frustrating to me is if my truck failed and wasn’t included in the recall (yet), that means I’d get a short block rather than a new long block.

 

Toyota didn't fix the engine till late 2024 according to sudo Ryan. The hybrids weren't included because it would shut down the Sequoia production completely, by using the electric motor it gave the ability to move off the road as a way to reduce the safety concern. Toyota will Band-Aid the motors outside of the recall until the first recall is complete, then they will recall the next time frame, maybe even the Hybrids. If they started out saying 300k trucks needed new engines, it would be worst for them publicly than to do 3 waves of 100k.