Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Everything I’ve seen indicates they will continue to do short block rebuilds on the hybrid trucks.

 

Uh oh... that looks OFFICIAL.

 

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2025/MC-11012755-0001.pdf

 

Following.

Sorry about your truck. Its my fear with a hybrid that we get a shitty replacement block rather than the crate engine

 

IMO

toyota should just scrap any thought of short block repairs for this, thats stupid at this point

 

I bet, that engine is like 30 plus grand, Toyota is wanting to get out as cheaply as they can.

 

Wait, is this specifically for the hybrid powertrain?

 

Yeah, I am definitely saving this screenshot just in case.

 

Didn't Toyota figure out it they could build the motors faster more affordably at a plant than to have a service tech rip the whole thing apart and try to diagnose it? I think it was 38 shop hours to do tear down and rebuild, and depending on damage they would have to replace everything oil touched anyway.

 

that isn't the short block replacement that is the full engine replace and it doesn't specifically say Hybrid and I see no orange connectors for the High Voltage system.

 

Yup, I see no mention of disco of MGU-K from motor in tech tip.

 

Right that's what I saw. I was on my phone. Now that I'm on my computer, I'll check the tech tip.

 

I just had a new short block put into my 2023 hybrid. so far so good with 300 miles on it

my understanding is that the hybrids are not on recall yet (at least in canada)

the advice I received was to have the short block rebuild done and then if they go to full recall have the full engine assembly done if needed.

 

Why did you have the replacement done? Did it fail?

 

Yes, more background please, at what mileage did this happen? What Maintenace did you have done for the truck during that period, oil changes.

 

What are the odds that the hybrid is never part of the recall? If (in their opinion) it's not a safety issue...since it can limp it's way on just the electric motor? That would be BS but I would imagine they just hope these trucks make it to 60k and save a boat load of cash. I have a 24 non-hybrid and Im worried that if something goes out before they're pulled into the recall that a short block would be the remedy. Sucks

 

I would imagine that they would do their best to try to do that. Its in their best interest to come out of this the cheapest way possible and by not expanding this recall any more than they are legally required, they can help achieve this. If they really cared about the customers, they would have included 22-23 hybrids from the get go, but they are only doing the bare minimum required by law.

 

thats probably the case as we sit now. I think an extended warranty 10-125K is the way to go, that said, all new trucks are warranty purchases now, complex machines. It is what it is.

I will say, it seems like the chatter of failures outside the recalled trucks is slow and slowing, not much going on there it seems considering the have like 400K+ tundras on the road now

 

this ^

news flash though, corporations don't give a shit about their customers, yes even toyota who is better than most.

 

yup...protect the brand and the bottom line.

 

I don't know, Subaru had issues with their EJ in the WRX STI and everyone got a 10 year warranty on the motor regardless of mileage and this more or less was caused from people modifying their vehicles. I carry a 10 year 150k mile warranty on my Tundra but I bet it would be a fight if it fails after 60k miles. The best thing Toyota could do is give a 10 year warranty on the motors regardless of mileage. They own 15-25 percent of Subaru and even share the same boat for models shipped to the USA.

Toyota would rather do this than have a class action suit which is a possibility anyway. In the end Toyota will have to eat the failures but again the failure as a percent of toral production are so low that they are doing what they are doing now, which is putting new long blocks into 22-23 year model trucks.

 

you can’t explain putting a long block in the recalled trucks but doing short block rebuilds for their higher paying customers (hybrids) other than corporate greed.

 

True, but how do you know they are doing that? One guy who said his dealer said to do it. I am not sure but Hybrid failures have been very low and we do not know how this guy's Hybrid was treated. Did he rip in it and not change the oil at all or once every 10-15 thousand miles. This is why I was hoping they would explain more on how this truck was maintained. Most of the time this can be explained by the life of the truck. If this persons Hybrid failed due to recall, then Toyota should recall or warranty all 22 and up Hybrids for the same defects.

I literally counted 3 or 4 Hybrids on not Ryans spreadsheet. I do find it interesting that the v8 is like 10 to 15k and the new Hybrid is over 30 grand for a new motor so in that sense yes Toyota is being cheap. I am curious if they would do this for the Lexus which this engine is in as well. I bet they would replace the whole motor.

 

Might be time to see an optometrist.

There are 4 in rows 96-105 alone.

 

Maybe I think I counted 14 and all of them had mileage at or less than 30k. If like has been said his sheet captures only 10 percent of the actual failures, then that would be 140-200 trucks. Assuming a Hybrid take rate of 15-18 percent then again that would roughly be 6-8 percent Hybrid failures. Not probably enough for a recall when faced with the amount of regular non-Hybrid failures.

 

Here's an interesting case. Dude's 2024 spins a bearing at 35k miles. Dealer breaks the engine down and says it is due to low oil pressure. They are refusing to warranty the short block replacement (no long block because his truck falls outside the recall window) because the owner had the oil changed at a different shop which used an OEM filter. Failure occurred 1,000 miles after the oil change. Dealer is refusing to provide (or at least extremely slow to respond with) a print out of any relevant codes, as the owner insists there was zero warning from the truck. Dealer is also saying all recall failures occurred at less than 10k miles, and they are also using that falsehood to deny warranty coverage. Dealer also refused to do anything other than 10k OCI changes.

At last update, the owner has a Tundra that has been sitting at the dealer for four months with a torn apart engine, and he's on the hook for the cost of the short block.

I am guessing whichever way you lean in this argument will determine whether you fault the other shop or not. DIY or non-dealer oil changes have never voided a warranty before, and the burden of proof should be on the dealer to show that the previous oil change (again they used an OEM filter) is the cause. This just sounds to me like a really crappy dealer.

 

more speculation is needed

it's sweet we got into speculative failure rates again, woohoo, thats the golden goose.

 

ya, I agree, just a crappy dealer.

they will lose if that goes further IMO, but what a PITA for that guy.

hopefully he calls Corp Toyota and says WTF.

I'd be tempted to tell them just keep the MOFO, stop making payments and let the repo dude come.