Tundra engine recall - interesting news

This does nothing to explain away why hybrid engines have also blown up, and why they're not being replaced. Sucks to be someone with an iforce max getting shafted

 

Yup. That's how I feel right now. While I can zip around a little bit on just the electric motor with very light throttle I cannot imagine being successful doing that while pulling my 7500 lb travel trailer. It's BS that the HV is being left out.

 

They are not being replaced because NHTSA did not tell Toyota they had to come up with a solution. Any owner of a Hybrid engine with a bearing failure needs to be encouraged to file a complaint with NHTSA.

Toyota did not decide to solve this issue because they felt bad for their customers...they perform the most cost effective repair/replacement that satisfies NHTSA's requirements. If NHTSA did not tell them to recall their hybrid powertrain, they won't...until they are forced to.

 

They’ll get around to the hybrids eventually

 

By the time they fix this issue in my truck and the previous issue that they've tried to fix multiple times with no luck, the amount of warranty/recall work into my vehicle will be more than what I paid for it brand new.

Side note, I never looked at my vehicle's value prior to these major recalls, but it seems to be much lower than expected. Anyone look at theirs before and after the initial engine recall was announced to see if there was a significant impact? I usually keep my vehicles for 5 years + so it dont pay much attention to it, but a 30k drop in value from new after only 2 years seems excessive

 

Depends, what percentage of the purchase price is the 30K? In a normal market it is not uncommon for value to drop pretty steep the first couple of years. If you overpaid, that will also hurt as well.

 

About 44%, based off MSRP which is what I paid back in mid 2022. My 2016 Tacoma (I know different vehicle) dropped by 35% after 6 years and 150,000 miles

 

My 2017 books at $34k and it was $45k new. That works out to 25% over 7.5 years and 102k miles.

 

So safe to say either resale on these has always been awful or the recalls are tanking values. Mines showing 38-40k and was about 68 new in may 2022. Oof. Hopefully it’ll last the 5 years or more I planned for it

 

where are you getting that value from and how many miles do you have?

also, make sure if your comparing to others "what it costs new" if thats what they paid or MSRP, there are a lot of variables rather than just an amount

eitherway,

the tundra was listed as the best for 2023 and for 2024

https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2024-03-1...nces-Winners-of-2024-Best-Resale-Value-Awards

 

https://www.kbb.com/toyota/tundra/


plus you can buy one if you "just want to show off". LOL

he also stroked the gen 2 guys, the "con" was no V8

ummm, I like the boost better, HA

 

May have missed it in this discussion but my feeling concerning the I force Max not being addressed at this time is the safety issue of sudden loss of "all power" with the i-force which would necessitate these needing to be replaced first. That being said as others have stated, the same exact engines are in all these trucks and I can't see Toyota not eventually replacing these also. What gets me is if this happens and I think it will, Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot by not just saying it now. Very bad PR on their part. If you decide to meet a problem head on don't half-ass it.

 

yea that is brutal. These 3rd Gen tundras are going to take an ever bigger hit in 2026 when they do the refresh to address all the complaints.

 

Yep...

 

Its a fair question. My personal guess is that stronger bearings were a potential solution they were looking at in the interim before they made the call to just replace the whole thing. I suspect it takes a hell of a bearing to make up for machining debris circulating in the engine. However, just a guess.

 

Let's hope so for those who are choosing to keep their trucks. I unloaded my HV b/c I don't think this decision will happen until well after the values fall completely into the toilet. Just last week, my truck value fell almost 8k.

Until the replacement engines start to show up, values will likely continue to fall...which removes options for those who still own an HV, but wondering if they will be treated as equals. Seems like a slap in the face to me

 

While I agree, I'd say there is a PR management factor too. As public company they don't want too much bad PR on top of lost earnings all at once. Stock lost almost 6% since the recall and before the replacement and then another 5.4% in the 3 days since the replacement was announced. Toyota's market cap is in excess of $250BB and they are down 15% YTD That's $37.5BB in lost value.

 

whatever bow tie guy

 

Its already exceeding expectations! I've made it 380 miles without a dealership visit!

 

LOL! DimSum07 With all the anxiety and stress I've had over this whole engine thing. That's just what I needed. As has been said, That's funny right there. I don't care who you are!

 

The current incentives are likely to grow as well. I saw $12,000 off the Capstone over on the leasehackr site. Every time those factory incentives increase, used values are likely to drop accordingly. I'd guess that Toyota will have to do something even more lucrative in the fall to clear out the '24s as the '25s start rolling in. I don't think it's helping owners of '22s and '23s that the car market was just bonkers back then with AMV and dealer option dd ons.

 

Comparing more so to past experience with Toyota vehicles in general based off MSRP or close to it, I have 70k on mine currently (was building a house and spent a lot of time bouncing back and forth between locations). Does look like the higher trims have decent discounts new now, but they are still 60+. I checked KBB, NADA, Edmunds and Carvana just for the heck of it, maybe it'll level out and not keep plummeting over the next few years. My 2014 Tacoma TRD Sport I drove for 2 years, 30k miles, paid 29.5k and traded it in for 27.5k on a 2016. My 2016 Tacoma TRD Sport I drove for 6 years, i think it was 156 or 165k on the dash when I sold it, paid 34 and change for it, sold it for 23k. While value helps, I didnt buy the truck for resale, I bought it for the reliability that Toyota is typically known for. My family owned 4Runners growing up almost exclusively.

Doesn't matter anyhow at this point, cant trade the truck in while the recalls arent addressed and cant in good faith (or legally in some states I think) sell it privately. So I have to keep it until they get around to fixing things, however long that may be.

 

There is a 2024 Tundra that had an engine failure with less than 20 miles on it. Mid May Build Date.

There are several 2024 Sequoia with Jan-May Build Dates that have also failed.

 

By the time Toyota gets done fixing all of the recall and warranty issues on my truck they will have paid over $60k or more, not counting rental costs. Currently sitting about $20k in work from previous warranty issues which were never actually fixed. If it really is $30k for the engine, then they are looking at at least $40k+ more in work, planning on having them address everything if/when it goes in to the shop, only reason it hasn't gone in sooner was due to lack of a permanent fix on the recalls and never having a truck available as a rental/loaner.

Current issues needing addressed:
Engine recall/replacement
Infotainment screen system still needs replaced (third time)
Door trim peeling again, thermal expansion caused it to rub on the front door and chip the paint too (third time for this)
Paint on the roof is cracking along the channels
Drivers side power door lock intermittently working, stopped working entirely yesterday
A/C issues (might be fixable through changing settings, maybe)
Fuel gauge issue that still seems to not have an actual fix
Gas tube issue that also doesnt have a permanent fix
Spare key I was given doesnt actually belong to my truck
Wind screen for moonroof falls out of track

Im sure theres more im forgetting, thankfully after all the initial issues and time wasted going back and forth to the dealer, Toyota offered to compensate me and I asked for the extended warranty instead, so that was a blessing in disguise.

 

My guess they spent several months trying to determine if they could find a way to identify engines with highest failure potential by lot. Limit costs by just replacing those high risk ones and others at time of failure.

They must likely could not find any trustworthy failure patten to limit their costs. So they had to go to plan B of replacing the entire production run under examination.

That is how most companies address quality issues by working up the cost ladder to find the lowest cost acceptable solution. Way most people work. I give the HVAC $250 every 3-4 years to add freon from a pin leak they can't locate instead of $6k to replace the unit. If I were driving my HVAC unit 80mph down the freeway my decision might be different

 

sorry man, seems like a true first model year build

 

Most of the stuff to this point has been minor/nuisance items, it was more of a PITA to get it to the shop for fixes than to just deal with them, now its getting to the point it needs to go and the list is definitely growing.

Curious what the cost of the long block is compared to the short block quotes we were seeing before. I would assume the parts cost is a good bit higher but maybe save some in labor? I was seeing high 20k and low 30k quotes early on when this started happening

 

not really sure, toyota charging toyota for the long block is different that if it was a customer charge, so we won't really know the true number

eitherway, not cheap, but really is the way to do this, just lower a full brand new unit in there and give a full powertrain warranty, for a shit happens type situation, there's not much more to be done.

 

I definitely agree, at least before when I had issues they were documented in a complaint to Toyota and they have a record of all of that (aside from the dealer records). I had grounds for lemon buyback at the time but opted not to once they extended the warranty. I do really like the truck, at the end of the day no matter what happens at least it'll be taken care of. New engine at a minimum, warranty that still has a good bit of life left. Guess we will see what happens in the coming days when they get back to me.

 

Engine Assy, Partial - 19000-F4020 - MSRP $19,281.99
Engine Assy, Partial - 19000-F4030 - MSRP $20,108.56

Partial Engine Assembly is Toyota verbiage for "long block".

They may end up sending a full engine assembly with turbos, accessories, wiring harness, etc already installed. Much faster process to unplug, remove, and plug everything back in than moving all the accessories over.