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Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by RLHULK, Nov 16, 2022.

  1. Nov 22, 2022 at 2:33 AM
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    I had considered the diesel engine. In the end I stayed with a gasser.

    That Ram Hurricane still has my interest, I am looking forward to watching videos and reviews on it, I hope Ram nails it.
     
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  2. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:39 AM
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    So you’re jumping ship over rumors?

    I have some FTX stock in an amazing digital currency company with a bright future. It’s rumored to triple in just months. Sell it to you for cheap….
     
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  3. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:41 AM
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    This is key. I can't imagine towing my travel trailer with a gas engine and a 24 gallon fuel tank.
     
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  4. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:43 AM
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    Do you drive a lot of highway miles daily? If you drive a lot in town the diesel might be a poor choice for you.
     
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  5. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:46 AM
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    I remember the 26 gallon on my 2012…about every 125 miles looking for fuel.
     
  6. Nov 22, 2022 at 4:09 AM
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    Guys, when you quote mpg, do the math first. The Dmax although getting 25-27 is still more expensive on gas/diesel. At least down here it’s $3.40 for gas and $4.80 for diesel. This is comparing it to some 3rd gen or the Silverado at 20-21mpg. Not to mention the upcharge for the Dmax.
    I still can’t fathom how some will willing pay MSRP or the price for these new trucks and turn around and care about mpg. Last thing on someone’s mind buying a truck is mpg.
     
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  7. Nov 22, 2022 at 4:18 AM
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    Agreed the price difference is a factor, but a lot of people are getting well over 30. This picture is from the duramax page and this is the same result quite a lot of people were reporting. MPG aside though, everyone says it is an absolute pleasure to drive. Extremely smooth, torquey, and a very capable drivetrain for towing. The range on a tank is also a huge bonus when you’re getting that good of an average. Sounds like the 5.3 has a good chance of being problematic with the DOD/lifter issues unless you disable it which won’t help fuel economy.

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  8. Nov 22, 2022 at 4:20 AM
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    For my job I have some vehicles that have to go to the Chevy and gmc dealers for repair . One car was there for 8 months and never fixed . Took to Chevy dealer and continued to wait 3 months . I have more stories like that too . No support for the truck unfortunately
     
  9. Nov 22, 2022 at 4:23 AM
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    Wonder what the average is over a tank and not 31 miles? That’s pretty damn good if that’s what they get on the normal though.
     
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    Those would have been lemon law candidates for sure. What model car?
     
  11. Nov 22, 2022 at 4:33 AM
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    Chevy Tahoe and Malibus . They ain’t my cars so I don’t make those calls . The customer service side of GM is a nightmare .
     
  12. Nov 22, 2022 at 4:34 AM
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    Even at 30mpg it’s only like $150 different. But regardless, I agree with the DOD/lifter issue. It’s 2022, almost 23 and Chevy still hasn’t fixed the issue. I use to be big into Chevy, up until their bankruptcy, then shit just went down hill. I had a 08 Tahoe and 10 traverse. Hand 2 hand fulls of 07 and older chevys, way better built.

    I also laugh at how he says knock on wood no real issues. After spending that much on a truck the last thing on my mind should be if I am going to have issues. But hey, he has MPG. LOL
     
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  13. Nov 22, 2022 at 7:03 AM
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    There's something to be said for this. I drive my truck to work 3x a week; it's about 35-40 miles round trip. Granted, I'm 'only' getting 16MPG and I could get 26-30MPG with one of those Duramaxes...but if I'm only driving 15-20 miles, averaging about 45-60 miles, and given the cost differential (gas just dipped to $2.91 here or so, whereas diesel is $4.55/gal or so), it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

    Plus my 2020 is paid off and has/has had no issues. :)
     
  14. Nov 22, 2022 at 7:05 AM
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    how much are the injectors on that GM?

    I have heard that diesel injectors are stupid expensive and go out from time to time.
     
  15. Nov 22, 2022 at 7:05 AM
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    He does have ~56K miles as of that posting. I was hearing front differential whine at that mileage and replaced it just over 60k miles on my Tundra….
     
  16. Nov 22, 2022 at 7:07 AM
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    204.00

    That is a few cases of beer.
     
  17. Nov 22, 2022 at 7:13 AM
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    Agreed. It sure isn’t enough of a fuel savings to make me trade up a perfectly good paid off tundra with a ton of life left. If it was time for a new truck though I’d be looking at one of those as opposed to a 3rd gen tundra if I have to spend 50+k either way.
     
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    This is where diesel in a light duty truck doesn’t make sense to me either. The only time it does is if you haul or tow something of significance and put the miles on daily (over 80+ miles). I couldn’t imagine daily driving my Duramax and I get pretty good fuel economy for the size of my truck.

    However, the maintenance costs wouldn’t be worth it to me. Here is my oil jug….

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    73.00 for 2.5 gallons plus 10.00 for filter.
     
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    Well yeah. For me it boils down to how reliable a) the truck is and b) the dealership is.

    Setting aside how reliable the vehicle may be, the local Chevy/GMC dealership is actually pretty darn good, all things considered. Meanwhile, the local Dodge/Ram/Ford dealerships....are not. So if I had to consider a new vehicle, it'd likely be a Chevy/GMC, and yeah, I'd strongly consider the 3.0. But I'd ALSO have to consider maintenance costs and the like.
     
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    interesting, I wonder why I have read these horror stories about cost of the injector replacement.
     
  21. Nov 22, 2022 at 8:41 AM
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    If diesel continues being $2 a gallon more than gas long term a non heavy duty diesel is going to be a tough sell down the road. I had an Ecodiesel and it was a very tough trade in last month. Unless you are towing big loads often go gas. At least GM is not a big $ upgrade for the diesel.
     
  22. Nov 22, 2022 at 9:03 AM
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    The good news is that the chances are much higher of getting a larger tank for the diesel than the gassers.

    Oh, wait: https://titanfueltanks.com/gmc-1500-3500-crew-cab-7010519

    43 gallons. That should give a range of like 1200 miles on a bad day :rofl:

    150%. I literally would not buy a GM 1500 with a gas engine because of this. There have been times towing my travel trailer when the 36 gallon tank in my F150 felt small, like driving into a 30 mph headwind in Wyoming for 9 hours getting 6.7 mpg.

    The 3.0 duramax is borderline. Even if it got 30% better MPG than my F150, it still has a shorter range.

    If you go to Fuelly.com, the 3.0 Duramax is current sitting in the 24-25 mpg range. A 3.5 Ecoboost, GM 5.3L and 6.2L is 16-16.5 mpg. 5.7L Hemi is worse. So its 50% better MPG real world. Even at your extreme price deltas, the duramax has an advantage on cost per mile and is cheaper up front than the 6.2L and probably the 3.5L.

    And that doesnt account for the fact that the GM 1500's all have the same size fuel tank. So the diesel has a massive advantage in range.

    Then there is the torque. The diesel blows the 5.3L out of the water here and, below 3000 rpm, makes the 6.2L look pretty weak. Duramax is making 460 ft-lbs at 1500 rpm while the 6.2L is at 360. The Duramax makes 490 ft-lbs at 2700 rpm while the 6.2L is at 400. At 3750 rpm the Duramax is making 428 ft-lbs, so pretty much matching the 6.2L. So unless you are drag racing your truck everywhere, the Duramax has a massive advantage across almost its entire operating range over the most powerful V8 on the market.

    But don't listen to me. Things like range and torque are only things people who use their trucks for towing and hauling care about, which is like 2% of truck buyers.
     
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    If you buy a diesel you better ask your servicing dealer how many certified diesel techs they have on staff. The certs are expensive so quite possible the answer is one. If One is on leave your truck will sit. If a big fleet customer has a break down your rig will wait.
     
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    OEM part through GM? That’s dirt cheap for a common rail injector!

    An observation over the years with other manufacturers is that parts for a new-to-market product are often cheap in the early days. Why? Because warranty pays a fixed percentage markup to dealers on the parts, and if all of that product is under warranty, it saves the manufacturer money overall. As these warranties expire for time, and / or average mileage, parts prices tend to ramp up significantly.


    See above. Well over 5K is not uncommon for a set of injectors with labour, depending on many factors. I realize I’m thinking Loonies and not dollar bills here, but…
     
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    Probably because they are not made by Bosch. Pretty much every other diesel engine you could think of here in the US is utilizing Bosch parts and PCM's. The 3.0 and 2.8 Duramax(and maybe the recent 6.6L?) are not. I think they are Denso.
     
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    Good to know ! I plan on leaving gm though hopefully by the end of December when my limited iforce max shows up
     
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    Like you stated (since being a HD career mechanic) the major cost is installation.

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    Honestly, until the Duramax showed up with 280hp, I wouldnt have even thought about a 3.0 diesel for towing or hauling even. The 240 and 250 hp that the Ram EcoD and Ford PSD had would have been miserable. There have been days where I was pulling my travel trailer into a stout headwind and was using over 200hp on flat ground. My Ecoboost has 365 hp with plenty of overhead, but those diesels would have been close to maxed out before I even started up a hill.

    I also dont think the maintenance on the 3L Duramax is anywhere near the HD diesels. It uses 0W-20 oil and is 7 quarts. If you play your cards right(don't buy your oil and filters at Autozone and look for rebates) I bet you could do an oil change for under $30. I am doing my current F150 changes(also 7 quarts) for ~$18 including a Fram Ultra filter and 0W-40 Pennzoil Platinum Euro. Got 20 quarts for $35
     
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    Oh I hear you. This was the only thing that stuck out to me from your response to me. I bought a truck for towing my 8,000lb boat. I didn’t buy it to lift it and go buy groceries. I also didn’t buy it for mpg. I guess I have to get use to todays kids bitch about mpg in their lifted truck with 35’s.
     

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