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Discussion in 'Suspension' started by opitmus_tundra, Apr 29, 2019.

  1. Jul 7, 2019 at 9:41 PM
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    Hey Matt, what do you think about a 1/4 elliptical?
    You get the benefits of a 3 or 4 link without the drawback of a linear rate coilover.
     
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  3. Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 PM
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    :rofl:

    :anonymous:

    :bananadead:
     
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  4. Jul 7, 2019 at 10:01 PM
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    So for all the guys running spring under, how’s the durability been?
    Re-arching?
    Breaking?
    Dragging on the u bolt plate/threads?
    my soa leafs have been solid. Jw the maintenance for spring under.
     
  5. Jul 7, 2019 at 10:22 PM
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    The spring pack is basically where the factory lower shock mount is. If that isnt dragging now it wont be an issue.

    I loved my sua on my last tundra. But sua setups typically have very low load carrying capacity
     
  6. Jul 8, 2019 at 6:22 AM
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    I believe @osidepunker had to have some insano 3" wide leafs made to carry the weight he does with SUA.
     
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  7. Jul 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM
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    yes, I had to switch to 3" wide leaf packs. But I also weigh 8k lbs with 3900 lbs over the rear axle
     
  8. Jul 8, 2019 at 10:47 AM
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    I just realized The Truck's new name, since you gave us Komodo for our stubby legs.

    Dumbo

    Cuz it's fat as fuck, but somehow manages to fly.


    I tried to think of something cool like Komodo, but everything large that flies has a goofy name: Shamu, Gooney Bird, The Truck, etc...

    At least Dumbo is cute.
     
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  9. Jul 8, 2019 at 10:51 AM
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    I would name it Bustard before I named it Dumbo

    But its always gonna be called the Truck
     
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  10. Jul 8, 2019 at 3:31 PM
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    You have to find a place to stuff a 2' tall leaf pack on each side.

    I still think for the guys looking for a "do-all" application, leaf springs are always going to win.

    Now if we really wanted to open a can of worms, we would start talking about air bags with reservoirs mounted on links for a true adjustable load carrying set up that allows the bags to cycle and compress without blowing up. Some crazy shit was tried back in the 70s/80s in off road racing.
     
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  11. Jul 9, 2019 at 4:50 AM
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    Lots of raptors are running a air shock in addition to a bypass in the rear. Seems like a great idea if you are always changing your loads or towing sometimes
     
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    Has anyone ran bags AND hydro bumps at the same time?
     
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    So what can the i96hd pack handle? It seems more worth it to get a pack built to specs with al the weight you’ll be carrying and weigh the truck+axle. I’ve just seen some saggy rear ends with lt. assuming those aren’t on purpose.
     
  14. Jul 9, 2019 at 9:42 AM
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    Yes its best to weight the axle and let Jeff at Deaver make you a custom pack for your specific weight.

    But stock leafs are 2.25" wide and they are limited in how much weight you can build the pack for. At just under 4000 lbs for the rear axle (maybe 3700-3900), Jeff couldn't get them to hold the weight. Thats when I decided to switch to 3" wide leafs. I was able to build the packs thinner and still hold 4000 lbs
     
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  15. Jul 9, 2019 at 9:43 AM
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    A regular I96 pack is made for zero weight in the bed. The HD pack is made for a few hundred lbs
     
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  16. Jul 9, 2019 at 10:07 AM
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    Ok I assumed a few hundred. I like the direction you went with the 3” wide pack. How much thinner was the pack compared to the hd?
     
  17. Jul 9, 2019 at 10:11 AM
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    not much, about 3/4" thinner but I gained a 4" lift
     
  18. Jul 9, 2019 at 4:10 PM
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    We are doing a similar setup on mine and a friends tundra, but mainly for towing as they will be easily removable. depending on the room you have if you can have them cycle similar to the main shocks and not limit the travel, you can use them to help with load variance without affecting your performance. The only downside is you need to have nitrogen handy, and you have to fully droop the shocks everytime you need to adjust the pressure.
     
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    I96HD is 3-400, I96XHD is 5-600 roughly.
     
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    Yep. I've always thought this is the perfect solution for someone who wants to load and unload their truck after every trip. Doesn't seem hard to cycle an air shock for full travel and its not a big deal to carry an n2 bottle. In fact, you could use some super soft leafs, like regular I96 and have a very nice ride. The air shock would keep your ride height and just valve it soft. Then, get a bypass with clickers and use that to control the dampening and use the clickers for when your load changes. haha if I was rich I'd be switching my setup right now...
     
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    OK, new plan...
    4 link with ORI gas struts and bypasses - no leafs at all.
    I already carry a bottle of N2 on the truck at all times

    I almost went with ORI on the front, but shied away because I was concerned about heat induced gas pressure increase after long runs, but there's a tacoma in AZ running them and he does some extended runs and says the difference isn't noticeable.
     
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    Or maybe just make a 3.0 or 3.5 Air Bypass.... Would be a cool set up to try.


    Screenshot_20190710-092910_Instagram.jpg
     
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    Well fuck - look at that magical beast.

    talk about solving some weight and clearance issues.

    Is that on a side by side?
     
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    Ha!

    I just looked at this closer and if I didn't know any better, I'd say you're pretty good at photoshop - but really it looks like the bastard child of an ADS bypass and ORI strut. I dig the idea.
     
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    I feel like school is in session.
     
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    ADS has had Air Bypasses for years, its more popular on smaller sand rails and such. That one pictured is something in the works for the Can Ams, it just happens to be bolted up on a RZR. They are pretty cool set up. They really help solve alot of the negatives associated with air shocks.
     
  27. Jul 11, 2019 at 10:53 AM
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    So you could, in theory at least, run a relatively lightweight spring under to get the travel and axle locating accomplished, and then an air bypass to get the load carrying and shock tuning ability.

    No links needed.

    hard-ons ensue.
     
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    Stop repeating us
     
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    I still feel like running a bag and cradle setup would be the most cost effective and fool proof method of getting it done. Not the most baller and not very good instagram like bait, but effective.
     
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    What am I repeating?
     
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