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Time for new rear brake pads.

Discussion in '1st Gen Tundras (2000-2006)' started by Baller, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. Feb 10, 2020 at 8:30 PM
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    Took my Tundra in to get the tires rotated and was informed I needed the rear brakes done. Whenever I've done pads in the past, I've always just got new rotors as well. I'm planning on the same here, I'll get new pads and drums. I'm up to the task but was wondering where people get their parts? Aftermarket or OE? Thanks for any input you can provide.
     
  2. Feb 10, 2020 at 8:36 PM
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    SUSPENSION: Bilstein 6112 coilover (1.9") w/ Powder Coated Springs and Spring Perch (TRD Red), JBA Upper Control Arms, Bilstein 5160's w/Billet Aluminium Reservoir Brackets, +3 Coachbuilder Shackles, Diff Drop Kit, Carrier Bearing Drop Kit, Brakeline Extensions, ABS Extension, Poly Bushings for Leafs, Coachbuilder Shims (2 Each Side), Coachbuilder Bumpstop Extensions, TRD Rear Sway Bar, TRD Front Sway Bar, Air Lift 5000 airbags w jounce bumpers. WHEELS AND TIRES: BF Goodrich KO2's 275/70/r18, BORA wheel spacers 1.25", TRD Wheel Caps,TRD Valve Stem Caps, Spare Tire Lock PERFORMANCE: Bullydog GT Tuner(Performance Tune), TRD Intake, TRD Dual Exhaust (with Modified Exhaust Hangers for Levelling Tail Pipe),TRD Brake Pads, TRD Oil Cap (US), TRD Radiator Cap, TRD Oil Filter, Optima Yellow Top Battery,GP Battery Distribution Blocks PROTECTION: PNP Engineering Type 4 Rock Sliders (With Full Dimple Plate) ,ADD Stealth Fighter Rear Bumper w Red/Blk Shackles and Custom Stomp Pad, TRD Skid Plate with ReadyLift Spacer Kit, Victory 4x4 LCA Skid Plates, JOMAX ABS Sensor Armor, Rear Diff Breather Mod, ARK splash guards INTERIOR: Husky Liners X-Act (Front and Full Coverage Rear and Front Weather Beater Trans Hump), Interior LED Bulbs, WheelSkins Genuine Leather Steering Wheel Cover(EuroPerf), Clazzio Genuine Leather Seat Covers(BLK/DRK GRYwith custom stitching and embroidered headrests), Clazzio Seat Heaters (Front and Rear), Entune Startup Screen MOD, Entune Off Screen Mod, Tinted Windows with Windshield Visor, AJT Key Fobs,Eagle Claws Floor Mat Clips, Bodyglove Visor Organizer,Custom Door Cup Inserts, Glass Break Sensor,AJT Radio Knobs EXTERIOR: Full Debadge, LED Brake Light Bulbs, LED Rear Turns, LED Reverse, LED Plate Lights, LED Cargo Lights, LED Third Brake Lights, LED Front Marker Lights, LED Fog Light Bulbs, Lamin-X Fog Light Covers (Amber),2018 OEM LED Headlights, iHacker harness, VLED Universal Puddle Lights, VLED Interior Footwell Lighting (Front and Rear),VLED Extreme Amber Fornt Turns, NSV Knight Rider Light bar, Baja Designs Sport Squadron Pods in Rear Bumper (Driving/wide), Painted Red Tow-hooks, Bed Rail System, Blind Spot Mirrors, Hitch-safe, Tail-gate lock, EAG Raptor Grille, Custom Grille Badge,Full Vinyl Wrap (Matte Black/Matte Pine Green Mettalic), Charvonia Designs Tie Bed Tie-Downs, Bull Ring Bed Rail Anchors, Line-X, Tundra Bed Mat, Bakflip F1 Bed Cover SOUND: Noico 80Mil Sound Deadening and Noico 170 Mil Thermal Insulation (All 4 Doors, Roof, Floors, Rear Panel, Dash). Hertz Uno K170's Component Speakers (Front Doors with Upgraded Sail Panels), Hertz Uno K170 Coaxial Speakers (Rear Doors), JBL C1-075ct Tweeters (Total 4) in Side Dash and Center Speaker, JBL Stadium 5 Amp w/Remote Bass Adjustment Knob and Amp Rack, 12" Infinity Reference Subwoofer in Custom Enclosure w/ “TUNDRA” Logo, Fast Rings Foam Speaker Rings System(4 Doors), Fix 86 DSP
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    kgb4187

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    I have a second gen, but I got all my parts off Amazon. Pads I went OEM and the best rated rotors.
     
  4. Feb 10, 2020 at 11:40 PM
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    Brake shoes and drums, not pads and rotor on the rear axle. Do a search, there's been a couple of recent threads about replacing the shoes. Parts makers are trying to cut costs so much that aftermarket parts are hit and miss so I find myself using OEM more and more these days.
     
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  5. Feb 11, 2020 at 2:25 AM
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    My usual go to is Rock Auto.
     
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  6. Feb 11, 2020 at 4:50 AM
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  7. Feb 11, 2020 at 5:07 AM
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    Rock Auto. You can choose brands. Also if you are registered you will have a history log of everything you buy. Mine goes back to 2010 and shows all 70 vehicles I've ordered parts for. Dont get the cheap stuff, but the reasonable priced. Centric and Raybestos have always been good to me and not costly. Daily driver stuff. Then the 5% off code in the box that says, "how did you here about us" (find it on webcrawler)
     
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  8. Feb 11, 2020 at 6:43 AM
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    I’m on the same original drums from 2002 and my 4th set of shoes. First set was replaced due to wear. Second and third due to oil soakings from bad seals etc.

    This forth set are Altroms which are an OE Japanese manufacturer. You can buy them at NAPA for about the same price as online from iirc. They are considered a premium shoe.

    These original rear drums do have some grooves in them but they stop pretty well and per design are responsible for 30% braking vs. 70% for the fronts.

    I did consider buying new drums, but from readings here and elsewhere many experienced poor aftermarket new drums due to out of roundness and then had to take them off to turn them. Also, these drums need to be weighted just like a wheel when doing balance work. This is something often overlooked and can’t be done DIY.

    I’d say clean up your existing drums rust with a wire wheel (or just buy new OEM drums and have them weighted). Wash with soapy water and rattle can them and install the new shoes with Sly-Glyde. Make sure you clean up the star adjusters, too. Might as well paint up the dust covers and do a proper job.

    If you are up to it, a bonus would be to rebuild your drum cylinders which are super easy and low cost. A full brake bleeding is necessary afterwards which you might need anyway depending on your service history.

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  9. Feb 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM
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    Doing the work myself, and saving costs there, I can justify buying all premium parts/upgrades.
     
  10. Feb 11, 2020 at 9:33 AM
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    OEM Drums. The first gen are finicky with drums. I had very good quality aftermarket drums and the shook like crazy after a few months. Went OEM and no problems. I've found some local dealers who will match online dealer prices if you ask nicely.
     
  11. Feb 11, 2020 at 9:53 AM
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    Altrom is good to go and usually OE for alot of Jap vehicles.

    Some auto parts store still turn drums so you can have checked out while they are and cleaned up if you prefer.
     
  12. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:02 AM
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    Looks like Rock Auto has a Power Stop kit for $111 and a Centric kit for $138. The Centric kit comes with wheel cylinders, which I wasn't going to replace. Amazon has the same Power Stop kit for $152 with free shipping. I've never ordered from Rock Auto, how's their shipping? Maybe I'll have look at what my local Napa has to offer.
     
  13. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:03 AM
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    Do stores that will turn drums also weight them, as mentioned above?
     
  14. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM
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    Whoa! Just checked my local Napa and they want $110 for just one Altrom brake drum.
     
  15. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:08 AM
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    Professional Hand Model

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    My Altroms priced out at $90 through NAPA.

    The Toyota drum cylinder rebuild kits are $37 each through Stealer. Brand new cylinders are $75 each.

    Not sure on costs of the actual new drums, but its recco'd to use OEM’s and I’m sure they are $$$ which is why I suggested to reuse your existing ones unless there is a problem.
     
  16. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:17 AM
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    Maybe I'll just pick up some of the "Ultra Premium" shoes from Napa and call it a day. I wasn't told the drums needed replacing.
     
  17. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:24 AM
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    I called a few shops around here and the one main heavy service center said their turning machine was broken and might not ever get fixed. Guy recco'd another small shop and I spoke with the gentleman. He said he would have to see them to know if turning them was even possible and if they were then it would cost $30 each. No mention of balancing, but I assume the existing balance weights would remain.

    The conclusion: The guy said it would be best to just buy new ones versus driving a long distance and having the truck unusable for 2 days.

    My conclusion: Reuse the drums I have. Just clean them up. Only ‘problem’ I had with them was going in reverse at slow speeds. It would squeal because prior shops services skipped greasings (see diagram). I found out Sil-Glyde fixes this. Sil-Glyde works nicely on the front pads backings/edges, as well. Its in the diagram above. You’ll need the Toyota Rubber Grease for the cylinder rebuild. Plan on a full day of work for full rear job with painting, cylinders rebuild, and shoes put back. You’ll be glad you did.

    New drums would be a bonus if you really want them. Thats your call, but I’d do OEM.
     
  18. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:29 AM
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    I like using Akebono Ceramic Pads and Brembo Blank Rotors
     
  19. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:31 AM
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    Now you see what I’m talking about. You’ll probably have ridges like mine, but they aren’t deal breaking safety issues. Here is a pre-cleaning pic. I did a little scour with the wire wheel if you look closely. Removing all that scale and the old paper backing makes a difference in wobbles/balancing in how the drum mates up to the axle. I made this inside shine after finishing. No pics, as I was getting things done at the end of day.

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  20. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM
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    I watched a video of a guy doing the rear brakes of 1st gen and he also mentioned Sil-Glyde. Is there something specific about it or would any brake and caliper grease work?
     
  21. Feb 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM
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    The PowerStop kit came with little packets of stuff I never used. I read up on Sil-Glyde and its been around a long time with great reviews. Its inexpensive and ticks all the Toy specs. Readily available at any auto store.
     
  22. Feb 11, 2020 at 1:33 PM
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    UP stuff is good as well. Just stay away from Tru-Stop's. I worked at napa when I was younger for 5+ years so I know there product line pretty well.
     
  23. Feb 11, 2020 at 1:42 PM
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    Hey PHM. What's the purpose of that gasket (42444-35050).

    I see it in the parts diagram, but in all my years of working on all brands of vehicles, I don't ever recall seeing a gasket used in that location.
     
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    Supposedly, its to stop the mating surfaces from sticking together. Being a technical goon, I ordered them last year with some other stuff knowing at some point they would get used. They are about $1 each.

    Fast forward to my recent brake service and I went ahead and installed them. You can see in that rusty drum pic in post #19 residual paper left from when the truck was new. All the service I’ve had done by others over the years and they never bothered to clean it up when it deteriorated (probably years ago) and never put a new one back. Even Stealer didn’t put one on after my recent bearing job.

    You could just use anti-seize in place, I suppose. I used both just because. Main thing is all the rust and old paper chunks are cleaned off now.

    Another reason to use these gaskets is to create a dielectric barrier between two opposing metals. For example, Aluminum wheels and steel axle. When the two mate up without a barrier one will corrode. Usually, the aluminum.
     
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    OEM drums are $110 each online. If you don't need new ones, then I'd re-use them.
     
  26. Feb 11, 2020 at 4:52 PM
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    I picked up Brembo drums and shoes along with some other brands spring kit just in case. I need a free weekend to install them now.
     
  27. Feb 12, 2020 at 2:50 AM
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    Interesting.

    Thanks.
     
  28. Feb 12, 2020 at 5:12 AM
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    Your talkin back brakes here, and unless your towing.........Raybestos drums $30 a piece Shoes $17 at Rock Auto. This is what I use.............and I tow. (my old first gen)
     

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