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This truck can't handle 285/70/17

Discussion in '1st Gen Tundras (2000-2006)' started by toyoboyo, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. Aug 2, 2019 at 1:00 PM
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    Hi all. I've got a 2005 sequoia with these tires mounted on 4Runner TRD PRO wheels and spidertrax 1.25 spacers.

    Not only is it getting 9.7-11MPG. My suspension is constantly wearing out. Tires are rubbing and it doesn't ever seem to align right.

    Can one guide my novice experience? Im sitting on 5100's top notch up front and 5100 with OME 862 +deflated airbags on the rear. Also have SPC UCA.
     
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    Your rig has altered Toyota designed suspension. Different angles and wear plus super heavy tires to help west stuff out and take more energy to get rolling and stopping. Don’t like it I would suggest smaller tires and maybe a leveling kit instead of a 2.5” lift. “I’m assuming that’s what your sitting at.”
     
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    Also, you probably aren't getting that low of mileage because you probably aren't accounting for the true distance traveled on a tank versus the distance on the odometer. The actual distance traveled is probably more than 10% (my 275/70R17s travel 108 miles when the odo reads 100...verified by highway mile markers). So you have to add at least 10% to the miles traveled and then divide by gallons.

    And you probably just need new wheels with the correct backspacing. Lot's of people run 285s with much issue (but may require trimming).
     
  4. Aug 2, 2019 at 1:32 PM
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    Best tire sweet spot for the 1st Gens is 285/75/r16 of which I’ve been on for 17 years without lifts. Only been through one front rebuild last year.

    Get rid of your lift. Switch to 16’s. Rebuild the front and get a proper alignment (new cams bolts) and she’ll love you long time. $$$$

    I add 8% to my MPG calculations and its not much better than yours.

    City 12-14

    HWY 16-18

    Ixnay the spacers.
     
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    Do you mean 265? He has 285’s right now
     
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    He is on 285/70/r17’s.

    I’m suggesting 285/75/r16’s of which is the size I prefer and seems to be time tested.

    OP has reengineered things that add too much stress and wants to stop rebuilding. I’m sure it looks cool, but the trade off is what the OP is suffering from... a stressed vehicle suspension.
     
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    They’re the same size tire. Switching to 16’s is an absolute waste of money!
     
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    Thanks for your input.
     
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    Just educating the less educated. :thumbsup:
     
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    Gotcha, I am just thinking most the weight is coming from the bigger tire, I wonder what the weight difference is between a 285/75/16 and a 265/75/17
     
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    I’m running 285/70/17 on a 4Runner with no issues at all
     
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    Suspension: front- Bilsein 6112 set at 1.9”; Rear- bilstein 5160 with maxtrac 1” shackel. Wheels: Method MR308 roost wheels 18x9” +18 offset. Tires: 275/70/18 Goodyear wrangler DuraTrac’s Removed front mudflaps and moved front wheel well liner forward. Bakflip MX4 Tonneau cover Line-x premium bed liner aFe CAI Rear differential breather moved behind taillight Debadged Windows tinted 20% ESP locking long box rear seat storage OEM all weather mats 6 3/4” antenna Coverking leather rear seat cover
    Technically the 16’s are 0.1” taller which makes his current 17” set up slightly smaller than the set up you’re suggesting.
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    Cool! I have a sequoia which I'm sure is different from a 4Runner.
     
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    Suspension: front- Bilsein 6112 set at 1.9”; Rear- bilstein 5160 with maxtrac 1” shackel. Wheels: Method MR308 roost wheels 18x9” +18 offset. Tires: 275/70/18 Goodyear wrangler DuraTrac’s Removed front mudflaps and moved front wheel well liner forward. Bakflip MX4 Tonneau cover Line-x premium bed liner aFe CAI Rear differential breather moved behind taillight Debadged Windows tinted 20% ESP locking long box rear seat storage OEM all weather mats 6 3/4” antenna Coverking leather rear seat cover
    The 16” tire will be heavier it’s got 1” taller side wall. More rubber = more weight. The 17” rim will weigh more than the 16” rim. Wether that weight will counter or not depends on the rims and tires paired.
     
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    Thank you Sansei.

    What, Sansei, do you suggest? We await your wisdom Sensei!

    Toyoboyo has a problem. Admits he wants help. Help!
     
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    I think ditching the wheel spacers would help. Might have to do a little chopping to make everything still fit.
     
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    I agree the T4R wheels he has are a +4 offset and the wheel spacers are making it closer to a -28 off set. That’s way to low for these trucks. I’d start there OP. Remove the spacers and see what happens.
     
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    Besides the big heavy wheels that sure makes it a lot of leverage on all his suspension components
     
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    I usually won’t recommend wheel spacers. 99% of the time. Now if it’s because your tires are just a little wide for the OEM wheels and rubbing the UCA I might say 0.75” bora wheel spaces could help but make sure you’re doing the routine maintenance ie checking torque regularly. I don’t need to be on the road with people loosing wheels.
     
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    Here is the OEM wheel that I was referring to pair up with the 285/75/r16. The tire I prefer is the Michelin Defender LTX and it rubs slightly on the inside frame if the steering wheel is cranked hard.

    I believe the offset is +15.

    Keep in mind I’ve read others try different brand/style tires in the same exact size. They sometimes report heavy rubbing when switching over to different style tires. While charts help, sometimes they aren’t exact. There are many variables even the experts can’t predict.

    One thing is certain. Lifts, spacers, and too big tires will wear out a suspension. When all 3 are combined the wear compounds itself. Offset plays a big role as well.



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    Not an expert here, but I believe our 1st Gens can only run the 1.25” minimum spacer due to the lug posts.
     
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    That could be. My reference for suggesting wheel spacers is more from my knowledge of Toyota pickups, Tacoma’s and 4 runners. Most of the time the length of the lug posts and the limit on the thickness of a wheel spacer is that the post isn’t long enough to allow for a thicker spacer but a smaller say a 1” or 0.75” would be ok.
    I suppose if the lug posts are extra long and they stick out more than a 1” or 0.75” spacer can support and you need shorter posts to make them work and that is the case on the 1st gen Tundras. Good to know.
     
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    Depends on the type and brand tires. Most tire companies have charts where you can check. Wheels add weight when the tire is reduced. Its a trade off. How much exactly depends.
     
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    I’m pretty sure I am correct that 1.25” is the minimum. OP has a Sequoia which is a Tundra with more seats. We are talking 1st Gen here.
     
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    It can very quite a bit sometimes.
     
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    Suspension: front- Bilsein 6112 set at 1.9”; Rear- bilstein 5160 with maxtrac 1” shackel. Wheels: Method MR308 roost wheels 18x9” +18 offset. Tires: 275/70/18 Goodyear wrangler DuraTrac’s Removed front mudflaps and moved front wheel well liner forward. Bakflip MX4 Tonneau cover Line-x premium bed liner aFe CAI Rear differential breather moved behind taillight Debadged Windows tinted 20% ESP locking long box rear seat storage OEM all weather mats 6 3/4” antenna Coverking leather rear seat cover
    You’re also taking about tire and rim set ups on a sequoia.

    I’ll see myself out now...
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    Good luck OP @toyoboyo
     
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    Simple answer... don’t like replacing components and poor gas mileage drop tire and wheel size and lower angles on suspension components.
     
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    One last thing that a non-expert as myself notes in the OP’s first post: 5100’s set at top notch.

    I know on the 2002 Tundra the top notch is a no-no. Second notch from stock height is the max Billys recommend going.

    Could be the reason the alignment won’t hold?
     
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    Already noted prior to your mention. See post #25.
     

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