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Thinking about adding Long Travel to your 2007+ Tundra.....Read this first

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by jberry813, Sep 15, 2015.

  1. Sep 15, 2015 at 7:54 PM
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    OP...are you a fabricator by trade or hobby? Do you have a welder and a tube bender and are you proficient in usage? If you answered no to either one of these...how deep are you pockets? Unless you've got 30+ grand laying around, 2nd-3rd gen tundras are frankly a terrible idea to LT, especially if you've never owned a LT vehicle before. Some first thoughts

    • There are a few companies that make off the shelf bolt on LT kits for the tundra. My personal favorite is the TC kit which is a +2.5" per side kit that will pull about 16" of travel while maintaining 4x4. As everybody knows...tundra is not a light truck. Running a 2.5" shock body coilover alone means heavy valving. And by heavy...I mean heavy. 10 minutes into any session and the shocks will be too hot to touch. Meaning plan on at least a 2.5" bypass, preferably a 3". Hell I can cook an egg on my first gen tacoma front shocks and those are 2.5" coils and bypasses. They get so hot that I have to rebuild them annually. Not to mention...toyotas are not known for component strength. Plan on spindle gussets, cam tab gussets, frame plates, secondary shock hoops, at the very minimum a coil bucket crossover tube engine cage to prevent the frame from cavitating. Oh and unless you want to continue the tundra twerk...fully plated rear frame with new tube crossmembers.
    • Leaf springs suck. Take it from a guy that owns a supercharged 5.7, you will never get leafs to keep up with a bone stock 5.7, let alone a supercharged 5.7. Not to mention, if you've gone ahead and went with a TC front kit, you need the rear to outperform the front by roughly 20-25% in terms of travel otherwise hold onto your cowboy hat...be ready for buck buck buck. Having a front that outperforms the rear just means you will never run the truck to it's potential. And unless you've got wicked discipline, overdriving the truck is very common which leads to very broken shit. Ask me how I know. There's no 62 or 64 inch leaf SUA pack that can pull those types of numbers. Which means your only options are links. Links...are not bolt in. It's not something you can just pick up off a shelf and slap onto your truck. Link length, link placement, anti squat, anti dive, sway bar design, rear steer, all need to be taken into account...or you may as well have not started the project in the first place.
    • 5.7 v8 means...speed. Links and anything over 80 mph...you just might have a deathwish unless you run a cab cage. That much horsepower, that much speed, and that much weight...say goodnight the first time a dirt bike jumps out in front of you out in Barstow. No less...given the weight of a tundra, to be SCORE tagged (if you decide you want to start racing), you'd have to run 2" main tubes for the cage...minimum. Not to mention adding in a supercharger puts you in open class which means you're going to be up against the baddest fucking trucks on the planet. Even if you don't want to race, that much travel and horsepower in a LT dirt truck is asking for trouble without a cage.
    Not trying to detract you from your decision, but the 2nd/3rd gen tundra is a huge fucking truck to LT. Huge trucks come with huge price tags when it comes to building a prerunner. It's not just some simple bolt on hack job. And expect a very large annual maintenance bill as well. Race car parts cost race car money. And factor in break/fix bullshit (you will break things...not "if" you break things).
     
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  2. Sep 15, 2015 at 8:28 PM
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    As an alternative...OP, don't be scared to look into a MT setup on the new Tundra. It's by no means equivalent to what you were used to with a Tacoma. In fact, a MT tundra is closer to a LT taco. Shock ratio is FAR better compared to a taco. Bolt in coilovers are almost a 7" stroke shock and utilize a 16" coil. Again, basically what a LT tacoma uses.

    I'm cycling over 13" with my Kings up front paired with TC stock length UCAs and retaining factory everything else including 4wd. The bolt in rear stuff leaves a little bit to be desired. I had to play with the valving to get it to live up to my expectations, but by no means does it suck. The MT definitely helps keep you driving within your means with a big truck with lots of balls at a significantly smaller dent on the wallet. And...it still handles business. Just ask @Relentless. :D
     
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  3. Sep 16, 2015 at 8:23 AM
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    Good thread Jberry :spy:
     
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  4. Sep 16, 2015 at 9:20 AM
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    LOL...WTF?
     
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    Your the man you don't even have to make your own threads!
     
  6. Sep 16, 2015 at 9:23 AM
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    Clearly I really am a special kind of asshole.
     
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    Amen to this! When the second gen came out in 07 I got one of the first 4wds off the truck to build it. I got pretty deep into the build and sold it because they are just too big. It was a great tow and chase truck but LT on them is useless IMO. And that was very far from my first build.

    This is my 07 before I sold it

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    That looks sweet.

    Is there anything in the long travel kit that requires the rear end sit lower than the front? It seems all trophy trucks have similar stance. Just curious.

     
  9. Oct 8, 2015 at 12:45 PM
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    I think you are confusing trophy trucks with wannabe SoCal bro trucks.

    Uptravel is your friend in the desert. Also sometimes pictures are deceiving as the rear suspension typically tucks up in past the glass. Just because the wheelwells in the bedsides seem close to the tire, doesn't mean the tires stop at that spot. Looks a lot different when you lift the skirt:

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    Yep fiberglass is deceptive. A truck decides it's ride height. Also with links there really isn't a ride height. You just tune it till it works best. Half the time I park it's ass high and half the time it's squatted in the rear. And trophy trucks are a tube chassis that has so much more up travel then a factory framed truck so what you might think is low still has 12" of up travel.

    My truck likes to sit pretty neutral. This is with about 300lbs of gear in the bed plus the spare tire, co2 bottle and jack.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Those look sweet. Now I want one of those, haha. It's so impractical for me, but I still want one.
     
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    What a load of good info! They look bad ass, but I know what I'm not going to be doing with my truck now...
     
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    His jumps were also small....I wanted to see some air...with a truck that fucking size I'm not sure he would / could do it without seriously breaking some shit
     
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    @jberry813 @Supermoto

    What do you guys think of LSK? Not saying I'm looking into it, but I wouldn't mind it if I just so happen to convince my wife otherwise.....
     
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    They don't make bad products. I personally wouldn't run their kit but they do good work.
     
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    Reason I ask is, their kits come with fabbed spindles. TC and Camburg only offer weld on gussets. All roughly the same price, but from what I've seen only 2 have really been tested.
     
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    Agreed!
     
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    Very informative thread. Sorry for the dumb question, but are "frame plates" the same thing as "fish-plating" a frame?
     
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    The tundra frame is just a c-channel frame. My preference is to box the channel and plate (sometimes referred to as fish plates) the outside of the frame.
    As an example, here's my tacoma frame:

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    Thanks for the pics, JBerry813. That's exactly what I did to my 1st Gen Tacoma using DeMello plates and a buddy's MIG welder. Looks like you have a really nice LT Tacoma. My '03 Tacoma was just midly modded for mild trail fun. Given the more narrow trails near me, it's just not practical to tackle those same trails with my comparatively behemoth-sized, weight-scale busting Tundra, but I'd still like to modify it just a bit to make it a bit more trail-worthy if I ever go on some more open-spaced trails further west. Not sure I'll test my welding skills this time around with a fish-plating mod for the Tundra, but at least you confirmed what I suspected about that part of the frame needing it for a bit more strength.
     
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    Thanks man. Yeah my first gen taco is a fun toy. It's light, nimble, and even 7" wider with the LT it's only 2" wider than a stock 2nd gen. My tundra is a tow pig. It sees dirt, but nothing like the taco does. It's too fucking big to do any rally fun stuff. But the wide dirt roads here in Nevada are still gobs of fun with a bolt in MT kit and tuned valving.
     
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