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Talk me into ceramic coating

Discussion in 'Detailing' started by ForceV4, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. Oct 10, 2018 at 4:50 PM
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    I've read a bit about ceramic coatings and it sounds like a big sales pitch. Is it worth doing? My truck is black (218), lives outside and is a daily driver. I do enjoy taking care of it and would like the paint to last. I tend to keep a vehicle until the wheels fall off. Then I fix it and keep it 10 more years.

    I've contacted a handful of detailers in my area. Only 1 called me back. He uses Ceramic Pro and Opticoat. His recommendation was to go with Opticoat Pro. Prepping the truck and applying Opticoat Pro to everything on the exterior except for the glass and the wheels is $1250 bucks. That's a LOT of money to me these days. Some older posts on here have quoted figures for the same work for about half the money.

    Why am I considering it? I'm under the assumption that it will help protect the paint against swirl marks, among other things. The more I read, the more I think I might be wrong and that protecting against those nasty swirl marks isn't really what this is for. The shine and easier time washing is neat and I'd certainly like to have it, but that's not what's motivating me. It's the swirls that I'm trying to avoid. Yeah, black paint-I know, I know... It sure looks good when it's clean, though.

    So, before I :spending: and begin to cry, I could use a good talking to. $1250 could do a bit of damage to that stock suspension, get me rocking out with some Tacotunes goodies or any number of other things to get the truck dialed in my way. Will I be happy with a ceramic coating?
     
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  2. Oct 10, 2018 at 5:03 PM
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    If I ever buy a truck new I will get it coated for sure. I'm trying to get my paint corrected to the point I can coat my truck.
    With you're truck being black its even more inventive to get ceramic. It will indeed make it easier to wash but it should also protect against swirls and light scratches. Black vehicles that have ceramic coatings look amazing, that deep dark wet look is unbeatable.
     
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  3. Oct 10, 2018 at 5:22 PM
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    Do it! It protects from UV light. It helps repell water and dirt. Makes cleaning a breeze. And as @Pudge mentioned it will help protect against swirls and small scratches. Better to do soon as possible, less paint corrections needed the cheaper it will be.
     
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    Look into DIY. Much cheaper. The prep is labor intensive and I understand why the price, but with much help from @driverdog (he supplied all of the knowledge and most of the work) I did mine with Cquartz UK 3.0 two weeks ago. About 18 man hours invested. Lots of other guys here that are also extremely helpful.
     
  5. Oct 10, 2018 at 7:17 PM
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    I did this the day after I drove it home from the dealership. I’ve been detailing my own vehicles forever so the paint correction was easy. The latest versions of the ceramic coatings are easy to apply and keep the paint looking fantastic. DIY or pay for it, either way DO IT!
     
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  6. Oct 10, 2018 at 8:18 PM
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    You like taking care of your truck, like having it look good and you intend to keep it long time. Then I would encourage you to have it done, or do it yourself. It is not a gimmick but like anything else, your truck will still need washing, preferably by hand and using the two bucket method. This will minimize future swirls.

    To get a vehicle ready is labor intensive and in my experience, it takes around 18 man hours to accomplish. A professional will have the tools, knowledge, a shop and the time to do it correctly. The price that was quoted to you is what I’ve read others have paid to get theirs done.

    To minimize swirls, use the two bucket wash method with grit guard in the bottom of each bucket. Check out Autogeek’s website for great tutorials and wash products to consider.

    https://www.autogeek.net/washing.html

    Also Steve, AKA @SouthBoundSteve is very knowledgeable about ceramic coatings and he was the person who encouraged me to try it and I’ve had no regrets.

    Here is one Tundra owned by @rons23 who had his recently done. I think his rig is around 10 yrs young:
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    @JMB’s
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    Extremely hydrophobic!
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    Mine:
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  7. Oct 10, 2018 at 8:27 PM
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    You guys are going to bankrupt me. At least I'll have a shiny truck to go to court in.

    I had no idea DIY was possible for ceramic coating. I'm familiar with paint correction and can handle that myself with a good bit of confidence. What brand do you all recommend?
     
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    What is, brqbr?
     
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  9. Oct 10, 2018 at 9:32 PM
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    That was an impressive typo that somehow made perfect sense when I submitted my post. It was supposed to be 'brand'. I haven't even been drinking!
     
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    Shoot 1,250 is cheap. I just paid $2,200 for paint correction and 8 year modesta on a brand new truck. And yes a brand new truck needed paint correction.

    Modesta is the best though and no maintenance. Don’t listen to any detailer say no paint correction needed. IMO when it comes to a coating it’s best to hire the best.

    My detail included

    Paint correction
    Primer
    Modesta BC06 8 year guarantee
    On paint; calipers; wheels; and exhaust
    Ceramic windshield coating
     
  11. Oct 11, 2018 at 1:48 AM
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    OH YEAH:thumbsup:
     
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    I have only used the C.QuartzUK and then their C.QuartzUK 3.0, which was an upgrade. I liked working with both and if doing another personal vehicle, I’d purchase their latest iteration and apply per instructions.

    The Ceramic Pro version you listed that was quoted to you, is for sale to professional detailers. That’s a good indicator that the detailer is legitimate. Again, not a bad price for everything that goes into doing it right.
     
  13. Oct 11, 2018 at 8:29 AM
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    Well, I think I'm going to give this a go myself. I've been watching YouTube videos on how to apply it and I don't see anything intimidating. Getting the paint as close to perfect as I can seems to be the biggest challenge. I've done that before, so I think I should be ok. I'm looking at this CarPro Cquartz UK 3.0_50ml Kit w/Reload https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D4NXNTV/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_.P2VBbHZ4ZAEB. Is there anything else I should have on hand? How about removing the wax and sealant that's already on the paint?
     
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    Full disclosure, I have not applied a ceramic coating yet. I have plenty of it on hand, but haven’t had the chance yet. That said, I’ve researched it like crazy, so I’m prepared.

    First, that kit comes with some suede towels to buff the product off with. It doesn’t look like enough to me, so I ordered more from Carpro. I know some guys just use microfiber towels, but I wanted the same thing that came with the kit.
    When you correct the paint, don’t use anything that has fillers or waxes in it. Just straight compound and or polish.
    Yes, you will need to remove the wax and sealant that is on there. I recommend Carpro Eraser. It’s what I use when I want to strip that stuff off to try a new product. It also works incredibly well on windows, which I just discovered about four days ago. There are cheaper or homemade options, but I haven’t tried them.
    I’m sure with your research you already know not to get it wet for 24 hours or to wash it for a week.

    @Sky's the Limit Car Care is a member here, and is gracious enough to pop in here and answer questions for us. The guys at Carpro are very responsive to email also. Those guys are happy to offer advice and recommendations in my experience. Very good people there.
     
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    I had my '14 and my '16 professionally coated, very nice. You can now buy a spray on ceramic coating, just clay bar the vehicle, spray it on and wipe off, I've done that to my other two tundras, will last for about 6 months, a bottle of the spray costs about $50 and will do roughly 3 applications. The application process takes about 1/2 the time it does to apply traditional wax, I'm a dealer for the spray on stuff, I'll send you a bottle at a discount if you want to do the application your self
     
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    Chicks dig it.
     
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    I use this for wax/sealant removal. Works just as good if not better than car pro eraser and it’s cheap.image.jpg
     
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    The common misconception people have of ceramic coating is that it’s a miracle product and the truck will take care of itself after install. My sister in law literally was gonna get it done because she thought all you have to do is rinse the car off and you’re done. Ceramic coating is for those looking to get that extra shine and hydrophobic qualities. Think of it as a harder clear coat, while it is “less” susceptible it’s definitely not swirl and scratch proof. You’d still need to take necessary precautions to avoid swirls. Imo if your truck lives outside I’d look into a PPF like xpel or suntek. It’s a film that provides actual protection. That being said my truck is coated with modesta and I love it, truck is garaged and very well taken care of. My wife’s vehicle has xpel ppf on it so I have experience with both products B76191E0-0A86-42D3-BDAF-AD2B10534B87.jpgE5084B46-78A6-4964-A5C1-AA731D6B912B.jpg
     
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    Reading this thread I am convinced, but my truck is used, can ceramic fix any existing swirls and bring it back to a shine??
     
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    Monet,

    Ceramic coating gets applied after one removes existing swirls marks. Ceramic coating is a final step. It is not a filler that hides swirls and scratches. Those are removed by careful buffing.

    The steps leading up to ceramic coating are: washing the vehicle, claying, applying ironX, tar x and then buffing. Buffing takes the longest time. Further washing in between some of these steps. All the steps leading up to applying ceramic coating are important to follow and need to be thorough.

    If paint correction is done properly then yes, the ceramic coating will reflect that effort and you’ll have a great shine again.

    On Ron’s truck he had a scratch that required wet sanding first then buffing. That is part of paint correction process and added about half an hour to that small area alone.

    There was a scratch under this skull possibly from a shopping cart. It is hard to see in this picture but it’s there.
    Took this picture before as a random picture:
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    @rons23 didn’t know a scratch was there and he discovered it during the cleaning process. Not happy. Ceramic coating will not fill this. This needed to be wet sanded then buffed.
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    Wet sanded and buffed out:
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    Ceramic coated:
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    In summary, the professional detailer earns his or her money.

    $1,200 is a reasonable price for the many hours it takes and the skill and equipment used, and of course the products.

    Like any skills acquired, Kudos to those people who have the tools and ability to do it themselves :itllbuffout: :thumbsup:
     
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    Wow, lots of labor involved for sure, and worth the price. Thanks so much for the information!! :bowdown:
     
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    Great information here. I have been thinking about ceramic coating also. As a follow-up question; once the coating is applied, what are the do's and don'ts? Should/could it be waxed after the coating? Would clay bar after the coating remove or damage the coating? I never do full paint correction, but I typically do a clay bar cleaning about 2x a year. Would that be needed or advised after ceramic coating?
     
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    No waxing or clay bars. That’s one of the benefits of ceramic coating, the shine/“water beading” will last the life of the coating. How long your coating will last depends on how you treat your vehicle. Ie a garaged vehicle’s coating will last longer than one left outside. Modesta comes with maintenance products that cleans and boosts their coatings. Not sure if the other brands do. Here’s a vid of the products to upkeep a modesta coated vehicle.

    https://youtu.be/hjmsyLkrMB0
     
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    what if you drive trails and get pinstripes all the time. Is it a waste of time doing it on your truck ?
     
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    Yes, you’d be wasting your money. Look into ppf
     
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    For C.Quartz keeping it clean by washing with a neutral PH car shampoo and then keep it free from bird droppings/ pine sap.

    Then, once every six months after a good cleaning, use Reload.

    Then sit back and enjoy the shiny look! :yes:
     
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    Ferdie,

    It is not recommended to use clay bars on ceramic coatings. Best to call the seller of the ceramic product you are interested in to see if this is still true.

    The ceramic coating industry keeps evolving with new claims of durability, shininess.

    Putting on a wax or a sealer is ok on top of a ceramic coating but it’s not necessary. The ceramic clear coat was designed to preserve the car manufacturers clear coat and it does that well.

    The ceramic clearcoat will deflect harmful UV light and acids, much like sealants and waxes do, but ceramic coatings last longer. Different manufacturers of Ceramic coatings have differing claims. Some will cost a lot and have a several year warranty. Those types have to be maintained a certain way in order to comply with their warranty. It’s important to do your own research and select which ceramic coating is suitable for you.

    That said no harm will come to your ceramic coating if you want to apply sealants or waxes on top. Some people, myself included, like tinkering with sealants like Hydro2 and Bead Maker on top of the ceramic coating, just to name two such products.

    I like pursuing the longest lasting “wet” look and since discovering ceramic coatings and sealants, our vehicles do look better and don’t need as frequent washing. This is because these products applied over paint corrected polished vehicles are very hydrophobic. When exposed to rain or water these coatings shed water and with it the dirt.

    Hope this helps,
     
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    Thank you for the detailed response. Much appreciated.
     
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    I can't thank you guys enough for all of this information. It's a LOT more than I anticipated. This forum is different from most that I've been involved in. People are welcoming and friendly. That's refreshing.

    As for the coat, I'll have to do some research and see which one I land on. I do wheel the Tundra-nothing weird-so I'll get some pinstripes from time to time. I can't handle buggering up a vehicle that costs this much so I'll be a sissy about where I go. Regardless, the deep shine and gloss is irresistible. Thanks again!
     

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