Talk Me Down

I think turbos are fine. It's just who made the turbo engines.

Nothing different than any engine. Turbo, NA, electric, turbine, hybrid. Depends on how thorough the engineering was done. Some companies can't even get a NA engine reliable, so it speaks more about the company culture and philosophy, than the technology.

Also, NA engines are more complex these days, with cylinder deactivation, start-stop, and etorque etc.

Toyota is not new to turbo engines and their designs were very strong and reliable.

Also, the Cummings turbo diesels.

Wondering if anyone has done 2JZ-GTE Tundra?

 

Personally I just bought one to make sure I had another 5.7 in case they do away with them. On another note if I had an army green 1794 in sight I don’t think you could anything short of a nuke could keep me from signing those papers!

 

Forced induction engines live and die by AFR management... and it's right there where the R&D dollar pays off.

 

So ponder, if the twin turbo V6 is the next power plant. will our V8 based trucks go up or down in value?

 

You’re always going to have a solid following for this type of truck. No none sense, old school truck. There are people seeking out Gen 1s and the v8 4Runners paying a premium.

Between the nostalgia of having a V8 power plant to someone who just doesn’t want turbos. Plenty of old heads still would never buy an eco boost even if it were the worlds greatest power plant.

 

The EcoBoost will never be reliable enough to be the world's greatest power plant. It doesn't get any better fuel economy than an iForce in the real world either.

 

You may have misunderstood me. If it “were” the greatest engine, which it’s not.

I was drawing the parallel that no matter how good turbo tech is that there will always be a market for the 5.7 and similar engines even 5-10 years from now.

 

Twin Turbo Tundra testing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lij1Z8kNFlI

 

Depends on your definition of "old school". Fiat/RAM still uses the Hemi 5.7L. Pretty old school too. To me....new school would be a bunch more of sissy ass truck nannies with a woosey turbo V-6 pretending to be a V-8. Heh....heh...

 

I think the 2021 1794 in Army Green is the best color combo and package Tundra of this generation. Go for it!

When I’m buying a vehicle it always seems like the last couple years of a vehicle generation are the best. All bugs worked out and all the available upgrades on the table. (minus transmission cooler)

First year of a new generation ages pretty fast as they put out new options/upgrades for each following year.

 

Do you NEED a new vehicle right now? If NO, then WAIT. No harm done

my plan was to wait first to see the next model but my old vehicle needed immediate repairs and it wasn't worth putting the money into it.

Reality is that most people here will tell you to buy now because they don't want to think that the next model might be better than what they already bought. Personally I'd much rather have a Toyota twin turbo v6 getting 35+ mpg than my 14 mpg hog I have now

 

There's a quote that I don't know who to credit to, but it goes something like this:

"The last year of old technology is better than the first year of new technology."


You're getting the last year of a well built, well known, proven, reliable engine. All the replacement parts are already widely available. Want to mod it with a super charger? No problem, it's already out there. No wait time for one to be developed.

Right now we don't even know for sure what type of engine is going to be in the Tundra in 2022. I have heard 3 different engine configurations for the Tundra from a Toyota NASCAR engine builder in the last 2 years. From a twin turbo V6, to a turbo diesel hybrid, to a twin turbo diesel hybrid.

You'll be getting the last (newest) V8, and in a few years there will be a bunch of old timers that will be willing to pay for that V8 instead of getting a truck with a V6 turbo or a hybrid. Don't believe? Find some threads on here about what type of engine will be in the next gen Tundra and see how many guys say 'hell no' to anything other than a V8.

 

That's what I like about the Tundra. You're basically buying a truck from 2007. Some think that's a bad thing. They probably drive a 4 cylinder Silverado.

The 5.7 might eat gas; but it's reliable, has good power, and runs on 87 octane. Buying a truck and making loan payments to save money on fuel doesn't make sense.

I don't think forced induction belongs on a gas truck engine. Well, one that will get worked anyway. Too much to go wrong. Diesel of course is different story.

 

look up and see if people like their Lexus LS 500 and what engine problems they have had

 

Kind of a question for you to answer. If the TT would get 30 mpg on the highway, sign me up. I love my Tundra, but I’d love it more if it got better fuel economy. More money saved on gas equals more hunting trips it’s simple math. I’d rather hunt more than have V8 on the Tundra badge.

 

While I can agree with the idea of what you are saying here there is no actual reason at this time to think that what you are saying is what will be in the new truck at least not that I know to be accurate in any way?

We are all just guessing what will be in the new truck but already know what we already have.

So in the absence of anything tangible to think about the new truck I am sticking with if it is not broken then why even consider fixing it with nothing but a dream that it might be the truth?

Now if you just want a new truck that is a different story.

I do not.

 

As the buyer of two Toyotas on new model years, my advice is to pass on the 2022. You should definitely wait for the 2023 if you want the new model. The shiny and new syndrome strikes us all from time to time, but it’s just not worth all the time, hassle, and regret once you have to live with any issues.

On one of mine Toyota switched to an entirely new engine design the next year, which was a *really* bad sign. And of course, that’s what gave me issues for the life of the vehicle, including extensive week long visits to the dealer and full engine rebuilds.

 

Some what of a comparison...I think the first year 2016 of the 3rd gen Tacoma was a bust. I still think the 3rd gen Taco overall is a bust aside from the improved interior technology. I enjoyed my 2nd gen 4.0ltr V6 much more. And if I wanted a 3rd gen Tacoma, I definitely would not be shopping for the first model year 2016.

The iterations get better over the life cycle of the generation. I'd say by 2024-2025 the new Tundra would definitely be worth looking into.

 

Yep. I'm an old fart and always disliked the V6 since it came out. A full size truck with a V6>>>>super MEH...

 

The new gen 07 Tundra had very few issues at all. I don't buy into not getting a first year vehicle. My 07 never had major issues. It did have the noisy pulley TSB fix done. It sure didn't have the cam tower leak, that later year Tundras seem to get, or AIP failure at 12 years old or new nannies causing issues. Toyota simply flat out messed up the Taco.

 

Hence the reason I said "If it will get 30 mpg".

I absolutely do know what I have, 15-16 mpg on a reliable basis. I would have to save a hell of a lot of gas to make it worth the 30-35k I'd have to shell out for a new one. When I buy a used one in 8-10 years though, then I'll absolutely be looking to improve from that.

 

Unfortunately neither of my first year vehicles were an 07 Tundra. Both were $50k vehicles, though, and after it happening twice I have since sworn off doing it again. You (and everyone else here) are free to do as they choose, obviously. But your sample of one is half my sample of two.

 

I have a 14 now. First year of new "look". That makes my sample of two the same except two first year Tundras. An 07 and a 14. ha!
I do consider the 14 a quasi 2.5 Gen though. Not a true new Gen like what is coming out to be fair. I know I wouldn't like to get the dreaded cam tower leak.

 

V8 nothing else to say

 

I agree. I think it is more of an excuse from companies to justify high amounts of issues from rushed engineering testing and R&D.

Like "exotic sports are are suppose to be expensive and high maintenance." Then Honda released the NSX. This put Ferrari and Porsche back to drawing boards.

Like "luxury cars are expensive and high maintenance." Then Toyota released the Lexus LS500. Put MB, BMW, and Audi back to drawing boards.

Like "pick up trucks are work equipment, therefore requires lots of maintenance." Then Toyota released their Pick ups...

Like "Combining gas and electric are complicated, won't ever get it right." The Toyota released the Prius.

Ford is first to put turbo-charge in their trucks, but they don't the standard.

Based on history and reputation, it would be Toyota that would set the standard.

 

Except the 14 wasn’t a total redesign, nor is the 18.

Both of mine were new engines, drivetrain, chassis, body, electronics. Tons of issues.

 

I think you made a good decision if you are going to keep it for a while. This could be the last time the Tundra sees a V8. Sad. This truck is very reliable and also I never buy first year anything even Toyota YMMV. Let them work out the bugs the first year....an their will be bugs. You can test and test and that will not replace people running them in the real world. Even if there are no significant problems, needed adjustments will be made the following year.

 

Which vehicles and years?

 

Like I stated>>>>I don't consider my 14 a new generation.

 

Toyota has had a plenty of time to get this next Tundra right and hopefully do.

Ya can’t go wrong with the current tundra it’s has a pretty good track record. It’s not as up to date as the big3 yet it does what a truck was intended to do and does it very well.

I most likely will keep my 2016 for a few more years Yet. I have plenty of people waiting for the day it goes for sale. With a v6 twin turbo coming out in the 2021 that list will likely grow.


Wish Toyota would reveal the rest !!!