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Suspension Upgrades for towing.

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by ColoradoTJ, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. Jul 5, 2016 at 10:43 PM
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    There has to be a fix for my truck. Here is the problem, and some of you have read my other thread about my towing experiences (1500 miles with the Tundra), so please bare with me:

    - The rear seems to be fixed with airbags and is not a harsh ride/feel when towing my camper. Some new shocks should also help with this issue since the factory craptastic ones have 76+K miles on them.

    - Front end spring rate feels light. I totally understand the teeter totter effect from towing something like a Travel Trailer, but it feels like the front bump stops are getting used more often than not.

    Has anyone had this issue or something close to it? Hell, there are people on here that tow larger TT than mine. I'm just not ready to sell my paid off Tundra and depleting some accounts to pay for a 60K truck that I might use 5-10K miles per year. At the moment, it just doesn't make sense to me.

    I have been looking at:

    - The Bilstein 6112 kit. Not really interested in the .75" lift, but I can compromise a little to make this truck perform better. Not sure on the spring rate yet, will have to look into that (I'm sure these are progressive springs and hopefully more than the factory ones).

    - OME springs and some 5100's. Anyone done that?

    Some of the research on other forums on diesel trucks is just nerve racking and flat out scary. Not sure if I want to subject myself and my family to that BS again. My Tundra has been rock solid and now the best truck I have ever owned (last one was a Chevy 1/2 ton that make it to 75k without any major issues). However, I do want to be safe and not push limits. I still need to test out the actual tongue weight of the trailer loaded up without water.

    So if you have some input on this issue, please jump right in. Thanks
     
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  2. Jul 6, 2016 at 1:42 AM
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    Personally I'd add some leafs to existing & I'd also dump the overload... & increase some dampening by way of shocks...


    [​IMG]
     
  3. Jul 6, 2016 at 3:40 AM
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    What did you go with?
     
  4. Jul 6, 2016 at 4:14 AM
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    Blue Ox weight distribution/Sway bar hitch has always been my go to. Used it with my 09 silverado 1500 I had along with the tundra towing a 25ft. stupidly over built enclosed car hauler. Haven't had any of the issues you've described through your other thread though. My tundra road like butter once the trailer was hooked up. Is your TT a triple or double axle? Whats the current hitch setup that you have, or are you just hooking it up to a standard receiver and heading out?
     
  5. Jul 6, 2016 at 4:20 AM
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    I just went back over your thread. Your rig is certainly bigger than mine. Weight wise, probably close to the same once it's loaded up with a car. Check out the 3500lb system from OX. Their anti sway receiver works pretty damn well. Best one I've used yet. However I did get a chance to compare the tundra to a new chevy 2500 and it was no question which performed demonstrably better.
     
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  6. Jul 6, 2016 at 5:43 AM
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    I do have a Equal-I-Zer LDH, 1000 lb bars. Good point on having a LDH for the towing I am doing.

    In this picture the Hellwig overloads were installed, LDH needed a small adjustment.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Jul 6, 2016 at 3:38 PM
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    Anyone else do front spring upgrades and tow?
     
  8. Jul 6, 2016 at 8:23 PM
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    Also, I needed to add that at times, when in corners with this trailer, the traction control is going off. The tires are wearing out on the outside and the alignment is good.

    So this is telling me the front end is still on the light side and skidding in corners. I can add one more washer to the load distribution hitch for maximum set-point.
     
  9. Jul 7, 2016 at 11:26 PM
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    What you see pictured is a set I put together for a 2nd gen Tacoma that tows relatively heavy & often, I've rebuilt springs for about 200 Tacomas on another site...
     
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    So what would you build? Use current spring pack and add what?

    Thanks for any help.
     
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    Sure no worries.... When I build a set of springs for towing , I look for springs that are slightly thicker & have very little ARC to them, these are what I'd use for donor springs to add to stock leafs (usually off early Chevy/Ford trucks) I get these at the local wrecking yard. Since towing a trailer puts a lot of down force on the shackle end of the springs, I'll cut & configure my donors accordingly to reinforce & stiffen up the shackle end, this stops a lot of pitching & diving ("swimming" of rear end) while turning at speed & stops the wandering of trailer whilst maintaining a straight trajectory down the road/freeway/expressway/etc;..

    Here's a link to my spring thread on another forum, it may help clarify what I'm talking about....

    http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/suspension/194386-tacoma-spring-refurbishing.html
     
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    Thanks Doug. That thread cracked me up. I got up to about page 9. Good times. I have used Alcan springs on my 99 & 2000 Tacoma's since they were complete shit (my 14 Tacoma isn't any better, but it is a pavement pounder).

    Not sure a new spring pack will help my front end issue. The rear is pretty good once I removed the Hellwig overload spring. Hell, The factory springs with my Load Distribution Hitch properly set up was a 100% improvement. After the airbags were installed, like a dream in the rear.
     
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    Is that a euphemism?
     
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    Shit, I probably missed the whole point to your issues dude, I'm sorry..:oops::oops: What's up with front end...??



    I don't think this man dreams about his rear, so I'd say , no, not a euphemism...;);)
     
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    I was gay once, until it was my turn....
     
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    Thats some funny shit right there....:rofl:
     
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    The front end:

    Feels like the shocks are worn out with no dampening effects, and this is probably the issue with factory socks at 76,500 miles.

    In some corners, dry pavement at or below the speed limit, the front traction control goes off like the tires are skidding. To be honest they might be and the trailer is pushing me in corners. The outside of my tires are wearing faster than the insides for sure. Alignment is good.
     
  18. Jul 8, 2016 at 9:03 PM
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    ColoradoTJ [OP] I'm a boob guy.

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    I like Zach, but not in a gay way. He one funny mofo.
     
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    If your sure your numbers are right...But gotta say, with that kind of wear it sounds like too much camber...
     
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    & do you trust your alignment shop of choice ?? Reason I say that is next time you get it aligned, make it a point to look & see if your cam adjusters on LCA's loosen up for alignment purposes, I got a feeling that their froze up & if thats true, no proper legit alignment can be done until the froze adjuster issue is resolved, wouldn't be the first time a shop BS'd the customer....
     
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    This is so damn true! +1 for 4wd guy knowing his stuff.
     
  22. Jul 9, 2016 at 7:52 AM
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    My tires have always worn well. A good portion of the 2500 miles towing has been in tight mountain twisty roads (past 2 months). It is not extreme on the wear either. 1/32s difference from outside to inside is not uncommon I would think. The wear is not visible to the eye, just my depth gauge.

    I do trust this alignment shop. I get a printout every time and I am within specs. To be honest, I'm still on the factory alignment. This shop has actually had me not perform work that I thought needed done in the past and showed me I was ok. I have to say, it is a refreshing feeling fully knowing that this shop values repeat customers.

    When I upgrade shocks, I will try to break the cam bolts free to see if that is a problem. I will need an alignment anyway. Good point and idea.
     
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    Thats good you have a legit/honest shop looking out for ya, they are getting harder to come by...
     
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    Been doing some research.

    The Bilstien 6112 kit is looking pretty good right about meow.
     
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    I still say it's your LDH.....
     
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    Could be, but I have ran two different ones that are pretty much industry standard. I will look at the setup again though when I get back out to the camper.
     
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