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Suspension Question

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by WolfenWrex, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. Dec 5, 2018 at 10:27 PM
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    None at the moment, looking to build up a mild off-road, mid-travel rig.
    I'm looking to do a lift on my truck, and I will MOST likely be having a shop do it (at the moment 4 wheel parts in Baton Rouge, LA is the one I'm looking at). Just because I don't have the area or the tools or experience to do it at the moment.

    My question to you all is choice. I have four that stand out to me, but two that I'm more likely to go with due to being cheaper.

    Toytec Boss kit

    OME kit

    Camburg mid-travel kit - leaf springs for the rear

    Icon Stage 3 kit

    I'm looking for a 3-inch lift up front, and 1.5 in the rear, if not that much then whatever I can get over stock and still have a level stance. Fitting of 33 to 35-inch tire would be ideal (tubbing and trimming may be necessary, or maybe an offset).

    It is a daily driver and work truck, and the off-roading is light. Beach runs here and there, and some light trails and camping as well.

    I am looking for input from you all because I don't know if some of these kits are overkill. I have heard the Icons and Camburg kits would be more for aggressive prerunning and not so much day to day comfort, but the valving of the Toytec and Emu most well mirrors the OEM ride and cushion, but with a little performance. With any suspension kit, I will also be getting TC UCA's just for a serviceable UCA that I can grease and maintain and more travel.

    (Truck is a 2006 SR5 2WD V8 Tundra Access Cab)
     
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    :notsure: Quote (from the Bastrds theme song) "If you're not over doing, you're not doing it right."
     
  3. Dec 6, 2018 at 12:02 AM
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    How long u keeping the truck?
     
  4. Dec 6, 2018 at 8:51 AM
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    I went with ICONs. If you don’t plan on doing a ton of offroading, Bilsteins are your best option for the money. If you plan on offroading often, buy once, cry once! I know plenty of people that started out on Bilsteins or Toytec and eventually upgraded which cost more than if they would have done the right move first (including me).... lol

    Love my ICONs. Others have success with Kings as well...
     
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  5. Dec 6, 2018 at 9:20 AM
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    @WolfenWrex Feel free to call us any time, we offer several suspension systems for different applications and/or specific needs. 303 255 4959 We will be more than happy to help you select the right suspension for you

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  6. Dec 6, 2018 at 11:12 AM
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    None at the moment, looking to build up a mild off-road, mid-travel rig.
    I plan on keeping it until the wheels fall off. It is in good shape, shows no sign of stopping, and I take care of it. I just want to make the right first decision when it comes to suspension.

    Also a side note for everyone else and possibly another question... The lower ball joints on these are problematic for some. Mine was not a sufferer of the recall that they had, but is there anything to be done to strengthen them? I have read a lot that people say just go OEM, no Moog or other aftermarkets, I just don't want THAT to become the weak link once I upgrade the UCA, suspension, etc.

    Also, thank you all for the quick responses, and Hugo @Toytec thank you so much for the direct reach out. I will keep that all in mind.
     
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  7. Dec 6, 2018 at 6:36 PM
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    Well, there are a wide variety of kits on your list...

    Toytec - adjustable coilover. Great if you want to put a plate bumper or more weight on the front end. Rear shocks will give you better valving in the stock package. Add-a-leaf may or may not be a good choice. I find AALs stiffen the ride quite a bit, but still give better results than a block. Good for moderate offroading. Moderately priced.

    OME - non adjustable coilover. Best if remaining stock with the front weight. Better valving in stock packages on all 4 corners. AALs again. Probably the best for an "OEM+" kind of ride; best for light to moderate offroading. Lowest price.

    Camburg - Adjustable coilover again. Includes upper arms. Will improve alignment, articulation and stiffen up the front end. Uniballs may induce some noise and add some maintenance (spray with teflon lube at each oil change). Fox products are seen on some of the highest end race and offroad rigs (what you're looking at are the basic ones). Probably the best valving all around. You're also looking at a full replacement leaf pack which is the best of all leaf options. Great for moderate offroading. Highest price.

    ICON - Adjustable coilover. No upper arms. ICON is huge in the overlanding community and the majority is quite happy with them. Rear shocks have a fluid reservoir for additional capacity and better heat tolerance. Out of your options, might be the best shocks. Down side to this kit are the lift blocks. They are just blocks of metal that sit between your axle housing and spring. Worst method for lifting the rear (IMO). With blocks, you'll gain some departure angle, but it will ride like stock or worse. Good for moderate offroading. You're paying for the shocks here. High price.

    So, you see, the price has a direct correlation with performance. I would decide how much performance you want out of your truck and go with the package that best aligns with your goals. I'm sure @Toytec Lifts will have more info when you call them. There is something to be said about deciding how much performance you want, then buying the next step up. You never know if you'll get bit by a bug... "I shoulda..." always hurts more than stepping up to start with.
     
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    None at the moment, looking to build up a mild off-road, mid-travel rig.
    Thank you so much for your well informed and lengthy response. Based on what you said, I'm looking at OME, or Icon, and I may be wrong, but I read on the Icon site that it was blocks for the rear OR added leafs? Is this correct or did I misread it? I may have. The OME sounds good, because I'm looking for a good OEM+ feel. As this is a 90% daily driver 10% off roader at the moment, and it being only 2WD, it will never be a true off-road king. The Icon sounds good as well, but the rear blocks turn me off of it. I just know that it is time to change out the suspension, and I want to make it worth my while. Would the Total Chaos UCA be any form of benefit if I stuck with OME, as it is a more mild setup?
     
  9. Dec 7, 2018 at 6:30 AM
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    Looks like there is an expansion pack option for the ICON. It will probably cost extra, so it will get you closer to the Camburg setup. As far as arms go, I would probably hold off on arms. OME is a very mild setup. I don't think you'll run into too many alignment issues with it. You also aren't going to be offroading very much, so the stiffness and durability factor wouldn't be a big deal. You can also just get some SPC adjustable control arms. They are made more for alignment adjustability vs. offroad and race applications.
     
  10. Dec 7, 2018 at 9:23 AM
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    None at the moment, looking to build up a mild off-road, mid-travel rig.
    Okay. Thank you again. I will post a build and updates whenever I make the install.

    A side note. If I did have an aftermarket bumper, is there anyway to get heavier duty springs with those OME?
     
  11. Dec 7, 2018 at 9:53 AM
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    I'm sure you could, but at that point, it would be prudent to just get the Toytec and not mess with it. I don't think it's really worth the time and effort. The OME are designed as a bolt on replacement. The valving is probably not up to the task of a stiffer spring.
     
  12. Dec 7, 2018 at 10:07 AM
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    Ready lift level. Flowmaster super 50. 20’ black rhino pismos. 305/55r20
    The ICON kit you're referring to adds a leaf pack, not a block or add a leaf. I will be upgrading my suspension in a couple of weeks and after much research, have decided to go with the ICON stage 2 system and TC control arms. I don't do heavy offroading. My truck is my daily driver as well.
     
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    ? There's no mention of a full leaf pack in the stage 3.


    System Components:

    58620 (QTY - 1) – 2000 - 2006 Toyota Tundra (0-3" Lift) 2.5" IFP Coilover Shocks

    51001 (QTY – 1) – 2000 – 2006 Toyota Tundra 1” Cast Lift Block

    52100 (QTY – 1) – 2000 – 2006 Toyota Tundra 9” U-Bolt Kit

    57715 (QTY - 2) – 2000 - 2006 Toyota Tundra (0-1.5" Lift) 2.5 VS Piggyback Series Rear Shock


    Options:

    • 191003 – Coilover Wraps
    • 51100 – Tundra Expansion Pack
    • 51001 - Tundra 1” Cast Rear Block
    • 52100 – Tundra 9” U-Bolt
    • 198000 – Spanner Wrench
     
  14. Dec 7, 2018 at 10:17 AM
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    Ready lift level. Flowmaster super 50. 20’ black rhino pismos. 305/55r20
    Oh I see what's happening. That's the kit for the 06 Tundra; my apologies. The newer Tundra kit has the expansion pack.
     
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    Stage 2 has the Add a Leaf. The Stage 3 has a block....
     
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    Any updates on the lift you decided to go with including pics ?
     
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    None at the moment, looking to build up a mild off-road, mid-travel rig.
    Not at the moment. It will be my tax return gift to myself .I will be sure to update this when I install it .
     
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    worst advice ever...







    I like it....
     
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    Cool, I am in a very similar predicament.

    I have a 2wd 05’ and am looking at different lift options to give me at least 2.5, but prefer 4 inch on the lift. The truck needs new shocks and struts, so I’m trying to figure out the most cost efficient route for reliability and no off-road purpose, just look. Don’t want to spend a $1k or more, but don’t want anything breaking or causing an issue either.
     
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    Sounds like Bilstein's might be right for ya. I'm not familiar with first gen suspension but I think @BestGen might have some advice.
     
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    I am thinking the same thing, but continuing to gather info before I go to a local shop...trying to get somewhat familiar without being bamboozled
     
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    I agree with Warren. The Bilsteins should be perfect for your purposes and won't break the bank. They're easy to install yourself.
     
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    Thank you, appreciate it.
     
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    These are the two recommendations I have received so far. I’m thinking the first rec of 6100s in front and 5100 in rear. Any insight?

    “For your setup I would recommend replacing all your shocks and struts with Bilstein 5100's. This is going to be the most basic setup, and get's you a maximum of a 2" lift in the front, which in most case is enough to level the truck out, which is what most want. If you would like more of a lift, closer to 2.5-3" in the front I would then recommend the Bilstein 6112 coil overs with rear 5100's. Parts and labor for 5100's all around is $675, for Bilstein 6112s and rear 5100s is $1135, plus an alignment which is $79.

    Or

    Hi I can do the 4 inch kit for you with Maxtrac spindles, Bilstein 5100s front and rear, block and ubolt kit, labor and alignment for $1650”
     
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    If you're going to be offroading, then the 6112/5100 setup would be best, but if you're just in it for the lift and ride, then 5100s all around will be perfect. I personally hate blocks, but they work for the look and you should do you... You master thread jacker you.
     
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    None at the moment, looking to build up a mild off-road, mid-travel rig.
    I know I keep adding to my own thread with other questions, but here is another. Regardless of which lift I go with, what else would be wise/affordable to replace when I do my suspension? I was looking at checking the ball joints, control arms, tie rods, steering bits, but all of that is on the front. What all is on the rear other than the leafs that would be smart to address/look at? Thanks.
     
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