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Sticker shock at new non trd sc.

Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by Fitz19d, Nov 21, 2015.

  1. Nov 21, 2015 at 5:56 AM
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    So I was hoping these Magnuson scs were going to be cheaper non trd branded. Looks like a bit more expensive?

    Got an email with them in stock and sc y itself a hair under 7k. Also doesn't have the cai. Also stated """ the only difference in the kits is the Magnuson kit does not include the cold air intake. As well, the UniChip programmer is the only tuning solution available and the TRD ECU reflash is no longer valid due to the air box."""


    I'm confused on the last bit, would trd flash work if you got the right air box? Suppose for me doesn't matter since I have to uni for ffv. But I was going of another thread going for about 6to7 not high 9 if not 10 after uni and labor.
     
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    Any pictures of the kit?
     
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    Same as normal one but says Magnuson in small silver letters instead of trd. Want posting link in case for some reason it wasn't supposed to be tired around or they didn't like their name thrown while I whine about price.

    Was really gunning for sc, but at 10k that does put the whole truck dangerously close to raptor pricing
     
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    Close to raptor price or not, id rather have a tundra than a raptor!!!
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    Does the kit come with whatever tuning you would need, or is that a separate purchase?
     
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    As above stated, im confused if you can get by as long as you are able to obtain the right airbox for a trd sc flash. Past that add in the quoted text it said only tuning option really is unichip.
    Which also reminded me I thought on here somewhere I heard we might not need uni anymore as someone had finally cracked the ECU or maybe it was they were expecting something from the sc mfg. Don't remember.
     
  7. Nov 21, 2015 at 10:12 AM
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    And don't get me wrong, while I always think of a tundra as more beautiful. Especially the 2017 raptor when they arrive are still king of the pile if you have absurd amounts of money which I don't.
     
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    If I had absurd amounts of money, I'd build up a tundra with Camburg long travel, fox suspension, and fiberglass wider fenders and bed sides. With a all that and a Supercharger, it would be a Raptor killer both looks and performance wise!
     
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    Kit comes with a bullydog tuner with the magnuson flash on the sd card. Included in the kit price.

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    Interesting indeed!!
     
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    Just installed the kit on my truck on saturday. Getting the tune installed in the morning!
     
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    You will love it! The supercharger makes a great difference
     
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    upload_2016-3-6_18-59-5.jpg Yeah!!! Wish I could afford a SC.
     
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    I have been off the forums lately. So is that just the magnuson sc with bullydog for non FFV, or is this the release of the tuning option for ffv??? Thought the SC's from magnuson were without bully and you just get trd sc flash. So if this isn't the ffv option, is this just a little more aggressive tune via bullydog then?
     
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    Magnuson is currently working on the FFV. They have one with the kit on it in the shop working on the tune. You can get the Mag S/C either with the bullydog tuner with the flash which is basically the trd flash just changed a little and the Maq website is claiming more HP. or you can get the kit just the parts no tuner at all and you are on your own for tune either custom or with a unichip. and i believe you can unichip a FFV.

    I will see if i can get on the dyno this week and get some at the wheels numbers.
     
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    I was waiting for their ffv option. I've seen enough with troubles, and to me it's bullshit using stock airbox to limit airflow and hence the SC just to get unichip working with sc which is not a true tune afterall.

    I'd go for the base kit no bullydog, would be mildly afraid they are just pushing it too far over the trd tune. But being a FFV cripple I'm waiting for whatever they can cook up or possibly this rumored edelbrock blower.
     
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    Got it on the dyno today. Making 440 Hp and 450 Torque at the rear wheels. so well over 500 at the crank
     
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    Unichip and ffv is all they use to get the supercharger to work with ffv. There are two or 4 guys up here that have it and no problems with the unichip. Unless unichip (locked) the tune which I doubt you can download the software and dail in the unichip better than the bullydog ever wish's it could.

    Piggyback system unichip is the only way to go. It's done in racing all the time. Unichip takes over after the engine is fires.

    Even if I had a n/a engine and not fi engine and stepped up internals I would be using a piggyback system. Ecm and TRD firmware can't go as far as unichip can and will do. If the program is set up right from unichip you can save you from blowing up the engine something stock, TRD, or bullydog can't do.
     
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    Don't agree with that. Yes unichip the only current ffv option. Theres more than 4-5 with issues. That the ones without issues are running stock airbox with less airflow can only mean it's not performing fully as a non ffv done "normal". Sure it's not throwing codes, but if I'm plopping that money down I want the full thing. From this and the other tundra forum, one thing conspicuously absent is dyno runs from ffv sc's. The unichip in this application is still not a true tune as it's using the trucks normal programming and just feeding it different sensor readings to try and brute force trick it into doing what we want.

    So I'm waiting. Either edelbrock with a supposed bullydog gets it right. (Not sure how they are supposedly doing a true tune that has been stated with toyo ecu so locked down.) Or for magnuson to release their FFV work around. I was kinda given the impression since they were original oem supplier for the toyo trd sc that perhaps Toyo was going to work with them in some way to allow a true option. (This being from a few things Keith Carty has said, and for a while there was another guy posting on the facebook page with a few pics claiming he was at magnuson with his truck working on the ffv option.)

    If stuck N/A... yeah maybe I'd still do uni/bully though the hard numbers I've seen don't sound great, more a better spirited driving feel with shift points etc. But Tow/haul button practically has the same effect (admittedly still holds gear too long sometimes, I wonder if you can do tow/haul in sequential shifter and manually kinda make things work better. One reason I miss my R32 and it's DSG tranny) Though really if I ever give up on the S/C I'm looking at jba long tubes and maybe the auburn differential first and calling it a day.
     
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    yep bank account is running low from it..
    Haha the stock internals on the 5.7 cant handle it..

    If your going to throw down money you rebuild not bolt on a blower first. Same with my 4.7 (2uz Fe) I plan on rebuilding and getting the stock internals out so I have more reliable power when the boost does hit. Plus I plan on doing a stand alone ecm.. I have full control over everything.

    Just a FYI the 5.7 in racing configuration puts out over 2500/HP. They do it with turbos not s/c. And it sits in a supra go figure. If you going to build HP you PAY TO PLAY not plug and play.
     
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    You advocate plug and play, now suddenly against it? You were hyping on adding more power on top of the s/c solo then suddenly like omg you gotta turbo and re do everything vs what you just said. You realize there is also a happy medium between trying to have an actual race truck and sprucing it up a bit?

    The stock internals are rated and good for the power of the stock truck with stock s/c. Kinda the big reason they would warranty it. If you are grabbing the S/C then go back to adding the JBA and a lot of other shit, then yeah, you need to start thinking forged internals etc.

    Putting less than a 100 hp via lesser means far short of the stress of the stock S/C is not a problem unless you are doing something really janky.


    But go ahead and talk when you've got the dinky and older 4.7 which was also well known for being shitty with the factory S/C and havn't done all the things you suddenly act like are mandatory or else!1!1!. Though I would agree an easy option to totally replace ecm with an open easy to tinker with would be a lot handier. The locked down chip I think puts a big damper on people playing with Tundra performance.
     
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    yep bank account is running low from it..
    99% of people don't know anything about electronic programming or anything. More unless ohms laws,radio frequency in wiring or ground isolation or anything else. Most people it's easy to plug and play the engine ering is DONE. People don't have the time for a truck to be down.

    Let me get this straight and do the math for 7000 bucks you gain 100 HP? I could do a full race exhuast port the heads and do a custom cams for the same money. Problem the ecm is the problem.

    The reason why 4.7 doesn't have a SC Toyota shit the internals to lower cost not using the proper rods. 5.7 is no different. Just remember ask @LOTSOFTOYS how any cam tower leaks are going on with the 5.7 then how many are on the 4.7.. Let me know when a supercharger 5.7 breaks 300,000 with no problems.

    Warranty is only as good as the time stamped on it. Superchargers need 60,000 mile nose rebuild and 100,000 new main bearings.


    BTW I have a full jba headers and exhaust on my Tacoma it's a OK.. Was it worth it no.. Had it on there for 4 years. My heads on that engine are redone for a s/c.

    Haha let me know how your API is doing when it messes up my 4.7 doesn't have it I keep driving you are stuck. When the ecm has a melt down let me know with lights flashing.
     
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    Even on the 5.7? Havent heard of that... Then again, I may have read ur post wrong and it may be for the 4.7:anonymous:
     
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    Sean there are bearings that have to be service and oil has to be change nose cone.. Every supercharger has a maintenance plan what do and when. Most the nose cone leaks first then main bearings. Why do they rebuilding kits and swap out most cones.

    2uz Fe and 5vz Fe and the 3uz Fe uses the same type on charger the Eaton. Eaton has rebuild kits I read right it was base on miles.
    [​IMG]
    Edit with pic but you get the idea sean
     
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    After watching this thread, being a science guy, a Metrology engineer for over 37 years no less, where stats prove everything, where facts always trump "truth", I need to see stats. "Facts" on the 5.7L as far as wear and tear and what it can handle or not over the long run are hard to find. I'll give you news, not much out there concerning the 5.7L so far to make a "factual" case. Anecdotal opinions are just that, anecdotal. Show me some facts. Links please. Just saying.
     
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    yep bank account is running low from it..
    http://www.magnusonproducts.com/t-Is-there-any-maintenance-required-with-my-kit.aspx

    They say oil at 80,000.. Don't forget to stop at GM or Ford dealership to pick up your oil for it.
    When the nose leaks you go oh no they all do. Can't stop science from blowing the seal out.

    Funny Google search shows up alot of rebuild ones rebuild can only mean one thing.

    I did sleep at a Holiday inn express last night.
     
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    I think someone on this post is a little butt hurt they still drive an old Tundra, and probably can't come up with the money to buy a new one and supercharg it, why else would you be bashing both the internals in the 5.7 and the quality and longevity of the supercharger?
    Hello, you don't think Toyota does their research on these kind of things before offering waranty, and that they don't improve the design of their engines after the prior generations?
    Do things break, of course!
    Do things need maintanence, of course!
    in the end, it all comes down to the way you take care of things and how you do proper maintanence intervals, this is what determines longevity.
    If you supercharge, turbo, whatever and then beat the shit out of any engine, of course it's going to fail prematurely, and it doesn't matter if you have stock internals or the best in the world, abused engines just fail!!!
     
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