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Started my timing belt replacement today

Discussion in '2nd Gen Tundras (2007-2013)' started by bleach, Feb 14, 2020.

  1. Feb 14, 2020 at 8:07 PM
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    I started my timing belt replacement today. I took my time taking everything apart including the water pump. It was fairly easy, just time consuming as I took time to familiarize myself very carefully with everything. While taking off the covers, I discovered the water pump had leaked somewhere in the past and maybe sealed itself. Tomorrow I'm planing on slowly putting it back together cleaning everything as I go.
    What sealant should I use. Toyota suggests using Three Bond 1215B or equivalent. Getting the right sealant may slow me down a little. Does any go in the water pump itself?
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  2. Feb 15, 2020 at 6:54 PM
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    Got it done today. Nothing really hard putting it all back, just time consuming. It mostly only took basic tools to do the work plus an impact gun for the pulley bolt. I did get one reward for all my work. I got a nice yellow check engine light.:rolleyes: I'll look over everything on Monday and see if I forgot to reconnect something. It started up the first time. Ran as good as before.
     
  3. Feb 16, 2020 at 9:35 AM
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    I remembered that I probably forgot to reconnect the electrical plug on the PS pump. I retraced all my steps during disassembly. I took a look this morning and that's all it was. It didn't go out right right away so I disconnected the battery again and waited a few minutes before reconnecting. It started up with no CEL and I let it run a few minutes and all was good.
    I have to admit this timing belt job was a bit more involved than the others I have done. The timing belt alignment was tricky. The cams had a tendency to shift off their marks. Repositioning them wasn't difficult but it was tedious. The markings on the belt were a big help. One thing that did make me nervous was in the instructions it says to turn the engine a couple of complete revolutions by hand. After the first one, the markings on the belt had shifted from the original positions I had set it with. I didn't look at the markings on the gears at first so I turned the engine another resolution and the marks had moved again. I though OH NO I "F"-ed something up big time! This time I looked at the alignment marking on the gears and they were on the spot. Phew!
    It looks like it all turned out well. I'm going to rest the next couple of days. Amazingly I did not bump my head, not even once, on the grille with the hood open. I'm 6'-2 and I felt I got close a few times.
     
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  4. Feb 16, 2020 at 3:01 PM
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    can you help me out I got a 08 tundra vvti v6 would it be the same
     
  5. Feb 16, 2020 at 3:16 PM
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    I'm not sure. You'll need to get a shop manual. I'm sure the V6 is covered in that. I wouldn't try without it. The Aisin kit I bought included instructions but they weren't as detailed as what in the manual.
    Also you need to be comfortable working on something like this yourself. It's not for those who just can remove parts and replace them. It takes a certain skill level.
     
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    what shop manual
     
  7. Feb 16, 2020 at 3:22 PM
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    The 1GR-FE V6 has timing chains. Nothing needed here.
     
  8. Feb 16, 2020 at 3:24 PM
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    huh can you explain
     
  9. Feb 16, 2020 at 3:27 PM
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    There's no timing belt so you don't need to worry about changing it.
     
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    right I ment to ask for help with my timing chain
     
  11. Feb 16, 2020 at 3:30 PM
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    As far as I know you don't need to change the chain unless you probably have a lot of miles on your truck. I'm not at all familiar with the V6. You might need to start your own thread about it.
     
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    Thanks bro, Aloha
     
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    Aloha and welcome.
     
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    Cool that you did that, but I hope you replaced the water pump. You are that far into it, water pump, hoses, belt and pulleys. I have seen things happen in my past life as a mechanic in a factory, 23 years, to know that sure enough if I re installed a old part into a rebuild that part would fail asap.
     
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    Oh yes, I did the water pump. My old one was leaking at one point. I did all the rollers that go with the timing belt. The hoses were still fine and so was the serpentine belt. I'll wait on external the pulleys and everything else as they're needed. I need to wait as long as I can before I spend any more money on it. The purchase cost, plus registration and taxes have lightened up my wallet a bit.
     
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  16. Feb 18, 2020 at 9:51 PM
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    The marks on your belt don't align again after you turn it by hand, but will eventually. If I recall it takes about 4 complete revolutions to get the belt marks to align again. But if you check the alignment of the cam marks and crank timing mark after 2 turns they all should align no matter where the belt marks are, even after one complete revolution when you align the timing of the crank, the cam marks should also align. The belt marks will not after 2 revolutions. The reason for the 2 revolutions is to make sure the belt stays tight and all slack is picked up by the tensioner. I forgot to do that one time on my Camry and started it and it jumped timing and had to go back in and do it again. So don't forget to turn it by hand.

    Also standard procedure is to replace the water pump cam and crank seals as a unit. The last thing you want is to either have an oil leak from a seal or have a water pump failure. Also on the plastic timing belt covers the rubber gaskets get very brittle over time and they also need to be replaced not every time but they will get brittle. Even after market on those rubber cover gaskets the manufacture's are very proud of those and they get very pricey for what you get! Hope this is not repeat info for you.
     
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  17. Feb 19, 2020 at 1:04 PM
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    Yes I turned the engine by hand with a 1/2" ratchet. I got kind of tired after turning the engine after a while so I switched to my 3/4" :D. Much better.
    I didn't think about the crank seal. I shy away from changing those until they show signs of leakage. The last one I changed for preventative measures end up leaking.:mad: Apparently new seals don't always reseal against any microscopic grooves that might be present that were caused by the old seal.
    By the way, what a water pump cam? Did you mean the cam seals? I would not mess with those VVT cam gears unless I really needed to.
     
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    Sorry Bleach, Water pump, camshaft, crankshaft seals. Never had a problem with new verses old seal leakage. I don't know if you use lube when putting the seals on or not but a little assembly lube works great, and I mean just a little, not lathering it on like soap. There are plenty of youtube video's showing you how to assemble those gears. Not hard at all. Just view and take your time. You can mark the position of the location pin for the gear and even mark the camshaft and there you have it easy peasy.
     
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    Maybe easy but some of the warnings about the cam gears I glanced at while going through the shop manual scared me a bit. If there's a problem later, I will deal with it then.
     
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    So you added sealant on the waterpump gasket itself? I just got done doing the timing belt and water pump on my 2004 Lexus LS430 and looks really similar. The instructions for that didn't say anything about using sealant on the waterpump itself, only to use the metal gasket the waterpump came with.

    There's a square port on the thermostat housing that I had to use Blue RTV for but that was it.
     
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    No I did not use any sealant on the pump gasket. I only used it on the outlet housing where it specifically says to use a sealant.
     
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    I've done a lot of reading and you shouldn't use RTV on that. I used FIPG that I bought from the dealer because that's what's supposed to be used for those surfaces and for peace of mind.
    It's not too difficult to redo if the RTV ever does fail.
     
  23. Feb 20, 2020 at 1:23 PM
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    Ha its funny that you mention that... I spent the last weekend doing the whole timing / waterpump replacement. I had originally used this Permatex black FIPG stuff I had on that square port. After putting everything together and started the car it lasted about 10 minutes before I had coolant leaking everywhere, i thought it was from the waterpump housing itself, but when I went to go taking things apart again, i found the FIPG gasket stuff I used turned all orange and slimy, and most of it was gone. I replaced that with "Thermastat Gasket Safe Blue RTV" and that sealed it properly. Only have about 4 hours of runtime at operating temp so far but no leaks.

    But you're right I've since seen people mention that Toyota FIPG , I should probably pick up the proper stuff.
     
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  24. Feb 20, 2020 at 1:29 PM
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    Yes the Toyota stuff is around $20 for a decent sized tube of the stuff. It even comes with this fancy key-like device to evenly squeeze the tube from the bottom edge :D. It also comes with a cone applicator so you can run a very small bead of the sealant.
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