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Solid Offroad custom motormount Group Buy for 2nd & 3rd Gen Tundras

Discussion in 'Deals & Group Buys' started by Bonzen, Sep 9, 2021.

  1. Sep 13, 2021 at 8:48 PM
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    Just came out the pockets too... Ive been debating on going solid mounts on my SC as well...
     
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  2. Sep 13, 2021 at 8:54 PM
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    Yup that’s one of the threads I had referenced. Seems that several of the guys on here who are most well known for pushing the tundra’s off road limits endorse the product, so I’m inclined to trust it, but I was hopeful to hear a response attempting to explain why Toyota built in so much freedom of movement with the OEM mounts.
     
  4. Sep 14, 2021 at 5:01 AM
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    Well normally, Stock motormounts are made out of a rubberish material so it absorbs all the vibrations your engine makes for a smoother ride. Results in slight HP&TQ loss. These being pretty stiff should increase wheel HP but will likely make the truck vibrate more. Maybe make more noise.

    https://youtu.be/zL4QaTOG7zQ
     
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  5. Sep 14, 2021 at 9:46 AM
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    Well, I guess I'll be dropping my RCI skidplate. Didn't really think about it.
     
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  7. Sep 14, 2021 at 9:55 AM
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    Lots of threads Ive been apart of on this forum, but the main details are as follows...

    Polyurethane - Ive found that the extra harmonics, if they are noticed at all, only noticeable at idle and its very minimal. Ive never had a customer message me and complain about it. I'm talking over 15+ years of selling these and hundreds sold. An aftermarket exhaust system puts more vibrations and harmonics into the drivers senses IMO. Same with aggressive off road tires. Your aftermarket upper control arms use poly bushings and will add harmonics and squeaking to the drivers senses as well. Ive never felt anything extra in the steering wheel myself and never heard of that from a customer either. Ive had the same amount of customers message me on this forum, and on the Instagram page that the truck actually ran and shifted smoother once the upgraded motor mounts were installed. So its really a personal thing, there is not a fool proof way to judge what every different person would consider NVH. But remember, we are building off road trucks and modifying them away from the engineered plush OE specifications so if you want that, then leave it 100% stock.

    The 2nd gen tundra motor mount failure rate with offroading is pretty high, as is the case with all these OEM toyota motor mounts. 1st gen tundras were just as bad if not worse. The frame perches of the first generation are also prone to cracking and caving in, while the actual frame itself of the 2nd and 3rd gen is more prone to actually bending inwards and requiring frame straightening:eek2: Once that OE cheap rubber puck motor mount breaks or de-laminates, you have nothing holding your engine in place, and the frame rails have effectively lost their side to side support and can start to flex inward and bend.

    I started making custom fabricated drivetrain mounts back in 2003 when we were off road racing in the deserts of SoCal, Nevada and Baja. A solid mounted drivetrain is a standard setup on any off road truck that is raced or used as a prerunner. Running OEM mounts off road in a race would result in a broken race truck immediately and losing the race. Any of you guys that have ran your trucks in the desert know how abusive it can be. Bolting on long travel suspension helps and increases how fast you can go but will only add more stress to the truck because you are now going faster and hitting things harder. As stated, the factory mounts are mostly designed around noise cancellation of any sound that could be felt in the cab, and designed to meet the bare minimum requirements to hold the drivetrain in place on a flat paved road. This is why soft rubber is used. Its a dampener. Unfortunately it dry rots, cracks and de-laminates quickly. It also flexes heavily. This is fine for a factory truck that lives on the street. Or if you drive slow on flat dirt roads, then you will be fine with stock motor mounts for a while.

    I make parts for trucks that are used off road. Driven hard, fast, bounced around, jumped, raced, rockcrawling, over-landing in rough terrain, etc. Thinking your OEM mounts will keep your drivetrain held securely while doing that is a recipe for disaster. But theres more to it than just preventing frame and engine bay damage...there is a throttle response/power factor too. So all our motors will torque to the right (passenger side) when we accelerate. This is the rotating mass of the motor attempting to lift itself off the frame from the power it produces. Doing this over and over isn't necessarily bad, if this is occurring on the flat street. The only thing you'll have to worry about is the slow deterioration of the motor mount rubber over time. Just like any part it will eventually wear out. However, doing this over un-even, rugged, tooth rattling unpredictable terrain is a different story. Doing it at high speed is another story. Now you have the drivetrain trying to twist off the chassis, and the whole truck being tossed around, shaken, vibrated and possibly taking impacts that send shock through the vehicle. Any axle wrap and moments of traction loss from the tires leaving the ground is exacerbated by this as well. Basically, you are experiencing a decent degree of parasitic power loss thru your drivetrain as lost energy that isn't making it to the ground. So you are not "making more power" with upgraded drivetrain mounts, but you are losing less power and making more efficient use of the applicable power on hand produced at the flywheel. The weak stock OEM mount failing to hold everything tight and secure, will allow the engine to become a 400 - 600 lb slide hammer beating the frame into submission while at speed. The more the drivetrain flexes and rebounds, the more damage is going to occur.

    Polyurethane upgraded motor mounts put zero extra stress on a drivetrain. In fact, holding it tight and stopping all the flex actually helps keep things from breaking, such as stopping excess force that is applied against your pinion bearings from the driveshaft as it sends shockload force thru it from all the drivetrain flex and rebounding while offroad. Also, the driveshaft center support bearing (carrier bearing) will receive much less wear and tear if the driveline is spinning true and flexing all over less. Poly mounts are just all around a positive upgrade.

    Are you guys blind yet? lol. I am from typing all this. Hope it clears some things up as to why this is such a crucial upgrade for any truck used off road, or even heavy towing with lots of force applied against the drive line.
     
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  9. Sep 14, 2021 at 1:11 PM
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    Or you remove the plastic inner fender well liners & take the wheel off and do it from the sides.

    This is exactly what this customer did, but he was also building custom shock hoops so he cut out the coil bucket...obviously pretty extreme but gives you a good visualization.
    945A7510-D68F-4051-BB71-9D3AFC2D32A4.jpg
     
  11. Sep 14, 2021 at 7:28 PM
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  12. Sep 17, 2021 at 8:42 AM
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    Going to end the GB pricing this weekend, so if anyone else wants in on the $420 shipped, send your order in soon, or PM me.

    Other wise they go back up to $500 + shipping next week.

    Picking up the big batch of laser cut kits today, will be starting on welding up these orders next week:muscleflexing:
     
  13. Sep 21, 2021 at 12:16 PM
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    2 kits welded up so far, will be shipping this week.

    I am doing my best to build these in the order that I received payment from each perspective forum member. So if you paid early, you will receive your kit sooner. Sounds fair right?

    Appreciate everyone's patience, I am a one man op and all these are custom hand built by me. No outsourced fab or oversees junk:thumbsup:
     
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    This is now on the list of mods I want to do. Don't know what the condition of my OEM mounts is, but if it helps get more power and torque to the wheels, I'm all about it. All my other mods have done the opposite :turtleride:
     
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    is this too late to add? i get paid friday lol
     
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    Technically the GB deal was closed on Monday. But I'll make an exception since you're waiting to get paid.
     
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    Very classy. :thumbsup:
     
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    Legit Mounts! Got rid of tons of vibration at idle lol.
     
  20. Sep 24, 2021 at 8:53 AM
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    I try to keep it classy, we are all one big off road family!
     
  21. Sep 25, 2021 at 8:09 AM
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    Can’t believe I missed this. :frusty:
     
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    Alex and Bruce removing Alex’s stock motor mounts. LOL
    https://youtu.be/m0voIsgBm1A


    These are a must if you wheel hard. Problem with the stock mounts is you won’t really know they’re broke until you get them off.
     
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    Send the $420. I'll add you to the list.
     
  24. Sep 25, 2021 at 1:51 PM
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    Unless they are REALLY broke and have started causing damage like your headers are smashing into your coil buckets.
     
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    We're all extremely jealous, lol.... or am I just speaking for myself... lol
     
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  27. Sep 27, 2021 at 7:47 PM
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    I'm going full bore on the 5.7 kits this week. I had like 10 sets of 4.0V6 mounts to build and ship out from customer orders before this GB even started.

    Alotta stuff will ship by weeks end:thumbsup:

    SK_Tundra&Diesel_dave I'll still honor the GB pricing if you ordr this week.
     
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