Resale Value

I would argue that's in the owners manual. Tells you how to properly break in the motor, maintenance schedules, even tells the user that after driving on highways or where the turbos have been engaged to allow time for them to unwind before shutting off the vehicle.

 

Are the Tundra turbos not water cooled? I don't ever idle before shutting down the ecoboost, it's dual (water and oil cooled). I would have thought the Tundra is similar?

I just looked this up, they operate similarly. Not necessary for you to be idling in the garage unless your garage is next to the track or Pike's Peak.

 

They are air to water cooled. Water jackets cool the spent exhaust before it reaches the turbo which is further cooled by air to water intercoolers. There are a few pictures of the intercoolers around the forum. There is one on each side of the radiator near the turbos, just inside the vents under your headlights. Those vents are not intakes for the turbos by the way.

 

I get it. But I just watched the eight minute video talking about how much stress testing has been put on these and how long they last.

 

Which furthers the point that they know what they're talking about with this motor or any other motor.

 

. Preach!!!

 

Commodities is a touchy subject with a lot of Canadians. The current prime minister and party are dumbasses, and ignorant when it comes to Energy. Canada could be a major player in the space with our resources. Instead we import oil on our East Coast. Many of us are hoping that in the next election he gets voted out, and goes back to being a Drama teacher.

 

Castro’s kid was a drama teacher?

 

The only reason I care about resale value in a depreciating asset like a truck is because high used value for a basic truck (that didn't sell particularly well when new relative to the rest of the market) just says to me that it has an extremely long service life. I am pretty hard on my vehicles. I maintain them well, but I'm the last guy to try to keep it pretty for the next guy.

Resale and reliability–in a "normal" market when things aren't artificially scarce like they have been the past couple of years–are two sides of the same coin, IMO. I'll take the truck, but hold the ongoing relationship with the dealer, please.

You're a vanishing breed, Euro.

The new species of truck buyer enjoys looking at it, enjoys its appearance of capability, does not use said capability, values comfort above everything, and keeps his truck pretty for the next guy because he'll inevitably get bored with it or get distracted by a shiny new thing and trade it in while "keeping the same payment" lol.

 

Ppl who use truck for truck things don't buy a crewmax because it always takes away payload and tow capacity

Ppl who buy crewmax are to shuttle ppl around and use their beds for truck stuff for the few random times a year - like me lol

Also not buying with resale in mind, guess you the new king or something and don't need to worry about some 50k+ depreciating asset, this sounds like the thought process of those continuously in debt and live check to check. Heck as long as you can make the monthly payment is all that matters right?

 

I don’t get the crewmax hate. It has GOBS of utility. Yes, lots of people buy them and don’t do “truck stuff” with them. I think that’s true with all configurations to some extent. To my double cab friends: your 6.5’ bed is still a short bed.

I’ve hauled lots of stuff with my tiny “useless” baby bed:
• 12’ lumber
• stacks of 4x8 plywood and OSB
• 800-1500lb of concrete, rock, or scrap
• a yard of mulch (yes it fits)
• 5 bikes
• 5 backcountry packs plus extra water and gear
• 3 kayaks (1 adult; 2 kids)
• our entire dispersed truck camping rig for heading out West (overlaps a lot with the backpacking rig, to be honest)
• multiple dead deer

I have also used the large cab to haul:
• loads of extremely valuable, vintage gear for work that needs to be climate controlled during my commute
• an entire OEM front Tundra bumper
• a small couch during a rainstorm (it fits upside down in the backseat)
• 5 people plus a dog ride very comfortably all the way across the country

Only a giant cab baby bed truck sits at the intersection of all these tasks.

I do agree with this. If Toyota were serious about putting making inroads into fleet sales—which is a huge part of the competition’s sales numbers, they would make an SR 4x4 with 6 seats, the iForce Max, and a heavy duty payload package. It would come in DC6.5, DC8.1, CM5.5, and CM 6.5 configurations. And I’d be stoked to buy one for my next truck.

 

So funny, that’s the first thing that came to my mind!

let me hit it, my gurl da Tundra gonna get it!

 

Key words here “EXPECTED” - they “expect” these results - based on past performance of similar vehicles/current demand and prices today.

What happens when things don’t go to plan ? What if tomorrow Tesla announces a 15% price cut and an update that gives new models 25% more range ? Wanna bet current models will be selling for the “expected” resale in 5 years…

What if Toyota got caught up in a VW like brand problem over their diesel mileage/emissions ? Trucks would be just as solid - but the brand reputation would suffer. Again - it would cause prices to dip - at least temporarily like it did for VW.

A lot is best on conjecture still - expectations can sometimes miss and sometimes outperform. Overall - if you bought a 2018 Tundra - you outperformed the market by far should you want to resell today. Will 2023 owners feel the same way in 2028 - possibly - but a lot still has to do with multiple factors not the least of which is the economy and inflation. What was a “new” 2018 sticker - like 39-46k for high trims ? Even could negotiate a little off that or some accessories at the time. Inflation benefitted those owners today nicely - when shopping for “new” trucks - 35k for a well cared for used doesn’t look so bad next to a 65k new truck. Will the 2028 Tundra cost 110k ? - I’d say no - but then again if Ram can get that for their sporty half tons today - then the guess anything is possible. Holding 70% of value for a 70k truck means they will be selling for near 50g 5 years from now. Personally - I’d take a 10 year old Tundra for 30g in 2028 given the choice - but that’s me.

 

Massive overgeneralization. I do truck things with my platinum crewmax weekly or more. Towing and hauling regularly. I know numerous guys with crewmax tundras that do the same. I'd be willing to bet a ton are in this forum as well. To say a crewmax and doing truck things are mutually exclusive is a bit ridiculous.

 

It’s an interesting projection of value in a market where values are still pretty chaotic. Inventories are regulating so we will just have to see. The common thread is the top cars we’re all recently redesigned and virtually sold out from launch

 

KBB values my 2013 at $4k, suppose that's to be expected for a working truck.

Going back to the thread topic, I kinda have a foot in both camps, I firmly believe that all manufacturers are dumbing down their vehicles build qualities, it goes against true capitalist values to build and sell an item that is so good that they don't see repeat business for 20+ years. But that doesn't mean Toyota won't have the highest resale in years because, relatively speaking, they still produce a better product than much of the competition.
Quite frankly, if I were the type to buy new, baby it and sell it five years down the line with low mileage I'd be expecting to see high returns.

 

There are two kinds of people in this world. Those that cause shit and those that eat it.
You choose what side you want to be on.
If i took the plunge last year and traded in my truck the Tremor was at the top of the list.
But I did not want to wait.

Have you received all the chips for your F150 yet? Any issues with the truck ?

 

I’ve been super happy with it. And wife loves it even more. Tons of room, gobs of power, super comfortable, better mileage with 35s than my Tacoma and T4R on 31s, foolproof OffRoad (as long as the trails not too narrow) and more tech than I even could hope to use. That said, I bought the extended warranty.

 

100% this. That, and HOAs suck. LOL

Also 100% this. I mean, don't get me wrong. I had no issues buying my 2020 SR5 CrewMax w/SR5 Upgrade, TRD Off-Road and Blackout Packages, mainly because I got almost $9K off of it. But had I been able to buy a similar truck with just the stuff I wanted and nothing else for several grand less? Hell yes I'd have preferred to do that.

 

Lol sounds like you didn't grow up in the age of real pickups and only been around last 20 years. Trucks back in the day never even had crew cabs......

Read my post again, I make fun of myself for owning a truck to only use it handful of times a year to take motorcycles to track and random house projects.

Satire is hard to come by, I've said this before, I'm a yota fanboi, but the tundra fanbois on this forum are on another lvl/planet

I live in northern Cali in the country, all the real truck users are single cab, bed/toolbox conversion, with welders, vises, cranes, ladder racks, spare fuel tanks in the back.

Those trucks actually have all their required tools to do their daily trade. You will never see a crewmax equipped like that ever, it only takes away from payload and tow capacity.

That's literally my point, but take it however you want lol

 

We get it, the way you use your truck and the truck you think is a “real truck” is the only way. Despite that, any truck can be used as a real truck, whatever that actually means.

 

Any vehicle can be used as a real truck. How practical it is, is another point altogether.
Where I live Truck is defined by 1) utility and 2) ruggedness - Body on Frame.
A Crewcab Tundra has tremondous utility with its roll down rear window - a type of utiiity unmatched by other pickups. 1st reason I did not pull the deal on the Tundra last year - The DC I wanted does not have a roll down window (due to lack of space for the motor). 2nd Reason. Back seats should be a delete option - full size pickup joke on space available back there on a 3rd gen. Its no Double Cab.

Resale is important, but from what I have seen in Autotrader and other mags all pickups continue to command a good used dollar.

 

How far back are we talkin? Do you mean when they were all regular cab 8’ beds with 175hp and couldn’t tow or haul as much as a crewmax Tundra?

I get that change is hard, but trucks today aren’t just for people working in trades. They have far more utility and serve multiple purposes. And they’re just flat out more capable.

 

I spend a lot of time on small and very large commercial construction projects, the VAST majority of trucks are crew cab. The half ton guys are hauling smaller amount of tools and materials, the 3/4+ tons guys have enclosed trailers. Most of the MEP trades have small boxtrucks/cabovers that are company owned for materials. Even in residential most of the guys I see around here anyway have crew cabs or vans.

@Fxclm5 I'd guess maybe 5% of trucks produced are single cab, 8' bed these days. Which I guess is kind of your point, It's just interesting how trucks have evolved over the years.

 

My son is a Construction Millwright Supervisor.
All the trucks used are CrewCabs for the simple reason that all job sites have crews that need getting too. You pickup the guys and gals, and head to the job site.
They are called Crew Cabs not Family Cabs for a reason.

me thinks this is no dream.

 

The Manheim Used Car market report shows Used prices jumped the most since 2009 in March.
Dealers paid more for these vehicles, so they will be charging more.
I can say personally that whenever I have bought Toyota and Honda vehicles, it always made sense to buy new over inflated used prices.
But what do you do when you can't get a truck direct from a dealer lot (outside of RAM) without a multi month wait needed for a Tundra?
These prices will be reflected in the March Core Inflation data when the Fed is considering what to do with rates in Aprl/May.

 

Cool discussion... Boats, ballers and regular people all chatting together.

Just venting here...

So I got my 1794 non hybrid, but don't like the hard leather seats, and just recently realized how cool hybrid powertrain is. I'm not really excited about my truck unfortunately. Throttle pedal sucks, cabin not quiet has some wind noise, ride is very rough and crappy with stock shocks.

I was debating on trading in my 1794 for a hybrid limited.

However, I just paid about $6500 in sales taxe for my new truck, and $3k over msrp markup (6 months ago).

Perhaps I can trade in my current truck for about $2k less than msrp.

So by trading in my truck, I'll be loosing $6500 sales tax + $3000 markup + $2000 depreciation = $11,500 loss on the trade in.

Then, hybrids are still rare in CA and go for about $3-5k over msrp. Plus I'll have to pay sales tax AGAIN in CA, approx $6000, so additional losses for new hybrid truck purchase would be about $11,000k. Plus higher interest rate than 3.5% I got half year ago

Summary:
Trade in my current non hybrid truck losses: $11,500
Buy new hybrid truck losses (sales tax+markup) : $11,000

Total losses for me to trade from non hybrid to hybrid truck: $22,500

Am I calculating this correctly? In CA we have to pay sales tax each time even if we trade in... Sux for us.

On the positive side, truck is for my business, so I can probably reduce my income with these losses to pay less taxes... But still I can't fathom wasting so much money. I guess I'll stay with my current truck.

 

part of the deal when you decide to pay over MSRP, I would hold a bit and perhaps you can score one of these deals thats well under MSRP that a few people have posted on that one thread tracking prices.

could you mod your way into liking the truck? maybe dump 5K instead of that massive loss?

running things through a business helps, sometimes a loss like that actually helps, lol

 

Thx, yes my plan is to upgrade suspension so it got better handling and ride... And then tell myself in a truck mirror that I LOVE THIS TRUCK daily

 

I wouldn’t take the loss especially buying another hybrid. It’ll only settle the throttle lane which can be fixed with a banks pedal monster.

I’m trading my tundra in but I’m getting the credit and slightly more than I paid. I’ve only taken a loss on one trade in for the last 2 years and it was my most recent crv