Ram Rebel vs. Tundra

Speak on it my man, you got the mic. I am interested to hear your perspective

 

You boys lost or something ?? I sense you're not from around these parts ))

Kidding lol

 

All TFL ever does is bash toyota. Non stop

 

I found the crew max back seat way bigger than my ram crew cab. the only thing that compares or even slightly bigger than tundra crewmax back seat is the f150 crew cab

 

That's because TFL is basically a bunch of 5 year olds who are easily amused by flashing lights and whizz bang doodads. The Bop-It is still their favorite toy.

 

I don't think this is restricted to TFL. I watched and read TONS of reviews on the Tundra and 4Runner before I decided to buy, and the one constant was that they bitched about how "old" the Toyotas were. The only time the reviews didn't dog on them was if they were from the early years of the design. Essentially, all auto reviewers pander to the the disposable culture and poo poo anything that isn't the newest thing ever. All the complaints they had were the exact reasons why I was drawn to the Toyota vehicles. They were railing about how the 4Runner was in desperate need of a total overhaul, and all I could think was that they were stupid. 4Runner sales have increased EVERY year for the last several at least. Why would you dick with something that is selling better every year it's out? Ain't broke, don't fix it.

I wanted tried and true, and nobody can say that any vehicles show that better than the Tundra and 4Runner, because they are two of the "oldest" vehicles on the market.

 

millennials are the ones to blame for wanting all the pointless tech. yes alot of it is neat, but we can survive without it and its a lot of the reason why trucks have gotten so stupid expensive (that and 7 year loans!)
i can tell ya now if you get into a minor accident with any new car if the wrong brackets bent some system wont work unless you pay a ton of money to replace whole quarter panels or TRY and bend the bracket back..
blind spot mintors are a nightmare when you get dinged in the parking lot. ive had to straighten tons of those out and pray they take the recal. if they dont the only repair is a body shop replacing quarters, (a few have just the brackets, but most do not seperatly)

 

I hate the whole "blame this or that generation" thing. Millennial, Gen X, Boomer, etc. are just terms for organizing marketing strategies toward groups that tend to have similar tendencies. Prime example, depending on what marketing range you use, am a Millennial. I am not a snowflake. I don't want the bells and whistles at the expense of reliability. I don't think the world/society/my country/ANYBODY owes me anything. So, I am a Millennial, and it damn sure isn't my fault and you can't blame me.
One of our members here has a perfect saying in his signature - It's best not to paint using broad strokes unless you are painting a barn - or something to that effect.


As to the whole bit about minor wrecks causing major damage and costing tons, you can thank safety standards for that. Crumple zones are absolutely more effective at preventing injury and death to passengers, but it comes at the cost of the vehicle's survivability. Sure, an old '50s truck could slam into a wall and drive away after, but the driver went to the hospital or morgue with way more injuries than they would in a modern vehicle that would be totaled by the same impact.

 

the crumple zones i dont disagree with these cars are MUCH more survivable. its the pointless tech they added that relies on very precise measurements (to this day the best implementation of Blind spot monitors ive seen is honda, a camera under the mirror, getting bumped in a parking lot wont completely disable the system.) it turns these cars into throw away things. its wasteful. and sadly its part of the reason you dont see improvements in mechanical aspects of cars.. companies are too focused on tech.

and im not targeting millenials with that comment, more so the companies are designing the cars for what they think our generation wants (yes im a millennial). obviosuly not everyone falls under the description associated with millennial or any generation. but to big companies we do.

 

You're correct that the companies do view everyone by their "generation" because it gives them an easy way to organize and market. There's been lots of mechanical innovation, but it's primarily geared toward satisfying unrealistic requirements of the EPA and such. Top that with the need to be the latest and greatest in order to not be crucified in reviews, and there's not a lot of proper testing before stuff gets put into production. Then, about the time the bugs get worked out, the next latest and greatest has to be put in to stay relevant. Toyota has been able to bypass a lot of this by staking everything on their reputation of reliability. If the price of that reliability is that the tech is 2-5 (or 10) years behind the competition, I am down with that.

 

Ya get what you pay for, tundra isn’t the fanciest truck on the block, but it will be the longest lasting

 

In my area price is definitely a factor , the tundras around me start in the 50k range while you can get a brand new Ram for under 40k . Everyone says that reliability is more important but if you take the initial cost of the Tundra and the initial cost of the Ram you save over 10k right off the bat , now if you only keep the Ram for 5 years and trade it in on a new one you’ll probably get around around 50% of your initial investment if you trade it in to the same dealer . Now if you say 20k on trade in then add 20k for the new one your only spending 40k on 2 trucks which is still less than the Tundra . Now if you trade that Ram in in 5 years again 20k trade in and another 20k for the new one you end up paying 60k and that’s only a couple thousand more than the Tundra . So basically you’ll have a Ram for 15 years under warranty or you’d have a 15 year old Tundra which hasn’t had a warranty for 10 years . Please don’t take this the wrong way as I’m not bashing Toyota I’m just explaining why up here in my area why the Rams sell more the the Tundra . Plus I see teenagers buying the new Rams and absolutely beating the sh*t out of them for the couple years they keep them . As I’ve said before you don’t have to get all the latest and greatest tech in a Ram you can get one that’s the equivalent of a ten year old tech interior all the way up to the 12” screen with everything you could think of .

 

This is why I was asking if you were thinking of the quad cab , I’ve never heard of anyone saying the back seat was cramped before

 

Around here I pretty much only see Rams in small towns. Could be a price thing. Or maybe that's all they have for dealerships out there.

 

Rams are super popular in Alberta. As per The Woman's uncle the Number one reason is poor credit. The number two reason is the perceived "deal" due to low price. Number 3 is flashy tech.

Ram dealerships will finance pretty much anyone. Credit score in the 400's, in debt to your eyeballs, major negative equity on your trade in but you have a job? They'll get you into a new truck. Toyota, GM, and to a lesser extent Ford won't do it.

How often do you hear of Rams being sold for $10,000, $15,000 and even $20,000 below sticker price? Every single day. The dealership is never losing money. As our family sales manager put it "Let's say Ram, Ford, GM and Toyota each have a truck priced at $55,000, at Toyota you'll be lucky to get it for $52,000. GM maybe $48K - $50K. Ford $46K - $48K. Here at Ram, I'll probably sell it to you for $35K almost any day of the week. Which truck do you think is actually worth $50K?"

Ram trucks have some pretty flashy tech and they update their interiors faster than most. They're constantly the "new new". They look cool, sound great and have lots of lights and buttons. It's appealing but they do this at the expense of reliability. Rams are the most sloppily built and poorly designed trucks on the road. Same idea as Ford and their laundry list of engine options. Too many option, too much new tech and not enough time to make them proven and reliable.

This is coming from a guy who wanted to buy a Ram Rebel when offloading his piece of shit Ford. I asked my The Woman's uncle what he could do for me on a Rebel and he told me even knowing all the shit I'd dealt with, he'd rather see me in the Ford.

 

This is the third Ram I’ve had , the first was a 2015 didn’t give me any problems but I bought because I had never had a full size truck before and I wasn’t sure if I’d like it as a daily driver , once I had it for a year and found out that there’s no way I could go back to a car I started looking to upgrade as luck would have it the dealer that I’ve been using was listing a 2016 Rebel for 44k which I’m pretty sure was a mistake since it only had 60 miles on it and the new ones with equivalent options were listed for 67k so when I went down there the same day they honoured the price and I got that . I didn’t have any drivetrain problems with that truck or electrical but and this is a big but the air ride suspension apparently wasn’t designed for Canada . It was perfect for 2 years then the compressor burned out , I originally thought that maybe it had just got a lot of use showing it off before I bought it and it was under warranty so it got replaced for the free in a couple hours . 7 months later it went out again , as I found out what was happening was the air ride is self leveling and in the winter when it would try to self level the check valve would freeze not allowing air into the air bags which in turn would burn out the compressor while it was trying to air up the air bags . I went back to the dealer and explained this to the sales manager and he made me the offer on the trade for the new Rebel without the air ride . The new one was listed at 74k he dropped it to 54k and gave me 35,500 for the old one so I think he did for me because I’m a good customer . Anyway if I have problems with this one I’ll let everyone know on here and if I don’t I won’t say anything about it .

 

It’s funny you mention the air suspension. Mine was frozen a few times too. And I had to park it in heated garage to get it to work again. But I’m not gonna lie, I liked driving that Ram. But I learned to get the most basic ones quad cab 4x4 hemi and it reduced a lot of the headaches that can go wrong. You can buy a classic now for 35 racks all day. Those ones are decent, and good if you on a budget and want a truck.

Back to Ford. I mentioned this in another thread. I ordered a new F150 with panoramic roof. I went through car wash. My whole shirt got wet. I went back to dealer. They told me it’s normal. I almost committed a 187 on the service advisor. So I walked it off and cooled down.

They got me a specialist to fix the sunroof. Buddy boy shows up to do it at my work. I thought he would just tweek it. He shows up with a completely new sunroof assembly. Like the entire roof from front to back. I kid you not. I told him where did you get this. He said he just took it off from one of the trucks on the lot and they exchange always. I was shocked to say the least. I asked him what would you do if you were me. He said verbatim “download this truck ASAP cause ford doesn’t have a fix and that he wasn’t allowed to say that to me”. A few weeks go by and the same thing happens. My brother bought me an umbrella and chirped me daily about the weather forecast.

Then I had the death wobble thing on highway. That’s another story.

Anyway, I was just tired by then and wanted something that works. And I kind of like knowing there aren’t many Tundra’s on the road.

The only trucks I have not messed with were Nissan and Gm

 

I get that , obviously I belong to a Ram forum too and there’s a handful on there that have said their pano roof leaked but it turned out to be the drain lines were plugged and once they were cleared no more problems .

 

That sounds so typical of my experience with Ford. Something would break or fail and Ford's response was "That's normal". Apparently it's normal for a 2 year old truck to simply not start, to randomly lose power in an intersection, for the rear door to lock and not unlock, and for the fuel gauge to fail among many other "normal" issues...

 

The ones I see when I'm driving in rural Alberta (to and from my family's lake lot for the most part) are mostly from the two previous generations (back to 2001) so I don't think they have as much tech. But I'm with you on the poor credit and "good deals".

 

I thought the air suspension was the primary reason to buy a Ram...

 

OMGGGG that happened to me. The door latch issue with the doors and the tail gate that never opened when it was cold outside. lol

 

Oh yeah? LOL! They told me the door latch issue was because dust would get into the mechanism and screw up the electronic lock. They knew about it and had a gasket in stock to fix it. Apparently it was super common, even on the brand new trucks sitting on the lot. I asked why Ford didn't issue a recall or just fix the problem at the factory. Kind of got a blank look from the service manager. He goes "why would they do a recall for something that's normal?"

 

Lol hope whoever does this is paying cash for the ram trucks haha.
Cause having payments for 15 years sucks just cause your scared your truck will break down and not have warranty, and all the interest in 15 years would be way more than 60k. But I guess if money isn’t an issue than it wouldn’t be a problem.

 

I totally agree with that , I’ve paid cash for mine which is why I haven’t included interest . Keep in mind that warranty is only the drivetrain which is for 5 years and manufacturers aren’t in the business of loosing money so chances are you’re not going to need the warranty I’m just saying that it could be one of the reasons .

 

In 100% honesty, if I were independently wealthy, I would just lease a truck... and it would be a Ram. I've never been more comfortable than in a Dodge/Ram, they have plenty of power, and if I were going to get a new one every 2-3 years, I wouldn't care about the reliability. I went Tundra because I want to pay it off, and not have a payment for a decade or more.

All that said, let's see some pics of that sweet rebel. Interior, engine, outside, lights off and on. Tundra forum or no, I love window shopping all vehicles, and this thread is about the Rebel as much as the Tundra.

 

Actually, this reminded me of the one persistent issue I had - and it's ALSO the reason that I'll never own the clamshell (or whatever you call it) door design that Ford uses/used.

Anytime it got under freezing....the driver's side rear door in my extended cab would not stay latched @ the top. I brought it in numerous times to get fixed. Of course, it worked fantastically AT the dealership.

 

What’s the definition of dodge?

 

Dodge the father ram the daughter.