Prayers for Ukraine

WTF???

Russia Space Agency Head Making Threats About International Space Station
Dmitry Rogozin wants the world to know who he thinks is steering the orbital ship.


https://www.cnet.com/news/russia-space-agency-head-making-threats-about-international-space-station/


For decades, the International Space Station has been a symbol of global cooperation, even among rivals and former enemies. Now Russia's invasion of Ukraine threatens to ensnarl the ISS's status as a neutral ground in orbit.

On Thursday, Dmitry Rogozin, head of Russian space agency Roscosmos, unleashed a tweetstorm in response to the threat of US sanctions that could impact the space program. In the thread, Rogozin made the argument that Russia's space program has operated just fine with restrictions in place since the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014.

He went on to point out that Russian engines help steer the ISS out of the way of space junk in orbit. But then the rant took a bizarre turn as Rogozin floated the idea of dropping the ISS on our heads should the US and other participating nations kick Russia out of the program.

"If you block cooperation with us, who will save the ISS from an uncontrolled deorbit and fall into the United States or Europe? There is also the option of dropping a 500-ton structure to India and China. Do you want to threaten them with such a prospect? The ISS does not fly over Russia, so all the risks are yours."

Rogozin is known in space circles for this caustic and mocking tone. When sanctions against Russia were announced in 2014, he suggested NASA use a trampoline to send astronauts to orbit.

At the time the US was dependent on Russian Soyuz spacecraft to reach the International Space Station, a situation that changed with the introduction of the SpaceX Crew Dragon vehicle for crewed missions.

NASA sent a statement via email late Thursday in response to Rogozin's comments, saying the space agency "continues working with all our international partners, including the State Space Corporation Roscosmos, for the ongoing safe operations of the International Space Station.

"The new export control measures will continue to allow US-Russia civil space cooperation. No changes are planned to the agency's support for ongoing in-orbit and ground station operations. The new export control measures will continue to allow US-Russia civil space cooperation."

 

In this pretend is Greenland = Russia? and is Canada = Europe and part of NATO? is Ontario suppose to be Ukraine or is Greenland Ukraine and Russia is still Russia as it’s at on the map. If that’s the case who is Ontario suppose to be? Sorry if I’m being confusing. I’m trying to understand this.

 

This. ^^ Russian missiles positioned in Cuba and aimed at USA had to be dealt with. In the end Russia blinked. Russia (Putin) would not tolerate Ukraine becoming a NATO member. However a unanimous decision is required from all member nations. Putin never got assurances that Ukraine would not become a member of NATO. Over the years NATO added more members which didn't help. Putin got pissed. Ukraine had to be dealt with in his mind. Sad situation although Ukraine is putting up a great fight. The civilian population has been hit hard but many of them are fighting back. Resisting. Good on them!

 

Yep, and the whole world is watching this go down, including Xi. The Taiwanese will also fight fiercely if attacked

 

Yep. We have exactly ZERO leaders like that.

 

https://youtu.be/L17Bi7zBJHI

https://youtu.be/4wnKi3r0ch0

 

Snake Island is Ukraine's Alamo. .

 

@ColoradoTJ pretty much nailed it, at least in simple terms. It's a complicated conflict that goes back at least 100 years, if not longer.

My grandmother fled Ukraine as a child during WW2 when the Russians invaded. It appears another generation will be required to do the same.

Slava Ukraini.

 

yeah. The people of Ukraine are so brave. There are so many acts of heroism, bravery, and steadfastness. It moves me.

 

Seeing that there are still some people in this world who are willing to fight for their freedom is amazing. The bravery and resolve is admirable. Inspiring.

Seeing the abandonment of these values is crushing. Without getting into politics I can say this: The frustration is real.

 

Wow, I am not speechless often. Can you provide a link to their shop. I’d like to support them.

 

History is a hobby of mine as well, particularly military history. I'm just starting to read On War by Carl von Clausewitz. I may pivot to studying more eastern European conflicts. A person will never understand the machinations of war, politics, geopolitics and cultures by reading social media and the news. It takes actual study and discussion with people who have been there to begin to have a grasp on it. Even then, fully understanding human conflict will be difficult. Too many variables.

My grandmother does have some fascinating stories of the "old country". Some of her family still lives in Ukraine and Germany iirc. One of the most interesting bits is the perspective. I'm adopted, she is my adoptive grandmother. I know my birthmom and her side of the family so have gone down the rabbit hole of my own genetic ancestors. During WW2, my birth family was fighting with the Allies pushing across France and western Europe killing Nazis. My adoptive family was fleeing from the Russians in the East and looked at the German soldiers as their protectors.

As for a touching moment, a couple years ago my mom and dad travelled across Canada. They stopped in Nova Scotia and were able to visit the very port where my grandmother had first set foot on Canadian soil. Dad has a picture of her standing in a doorway of the customs building, aged 8 or so. That building is still there, preserved as a historical center, and dad was able to stand in the exact doorway and place his hand in the exact spot as my grandmother did all those years ago.

 

Thoughts and prayers... what a f'n joke. No lazier way to make yourself feel good about a bad situation.

Maybe get off your asses and send money to a charity or do something that is actually useful.

Change doesn't come from you babbling to an invisible man.

 

I agree with/support this part of your post.

 

Maybe a much less assholish way of encouraging folks would be “hey, you can send donations to ________ charity to support humanitarian efforts in Ukraine”. There is no need to insult anyone for their religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

 

The Klitschko brothers are going to fight also

Boxing-Klitschko brothers to take up arms and fight for Ukraine (yahoo.com)

 

Even if people agree with you on this, and many might.. your extreme lack of tact is amazing.
Thoughts and prayers to you @poop_bubbles

 

Sorry to the moderators if I started an argument here.. I only wanted to generate some love and support for those poor people. Everyone please keep comments respectful and try to focus on positive support rather than negative feedback towards one another or any particular groups. We all know very well who the bad guy is in the world right now so let's keep it focused on supporting Ukrainians ❤️

 

What will the aftermath be after the dust settles? This will absolutely reshape and affect every country. Including this one.

 

I don’t think any of else feel good or will feel good about this regardless of what we say and/or do. This is a forum where like minded and sometimes not like minded people discuss things - tundra related and not tundra related.

Not everyone - myself included - publicly talks about the charitable things we do or are involved with. Don’t make blanket generalizations about people’s intentions and/or actions.

I’m off the soap box. Be well.

 

No corn husks?

 

The driver of the car was rescued form the car. It's a miracle he survived. That's not warfare. That's murder.