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Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by AnalysisParalysis, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Dec 23, 2021 at 7:30 AM
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    Its funny that if you subtract 2-150lb people and 85lb for a hitch from the listed 1940 payload it matches the 1555 payload sticker I posted....
     
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  2. Dec 23, 2021 at 7:35 AM
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    Sherlock may have figured this out! Subtract 55 lbs for the 4WD and you get 1500 lbs?

    The Toyota Canada Vehicle Order Guide uses the term Payload and does not define it.

    The 2022 Owner's Manual uses the term Vehicle Capacity Weight (occupants + luggage).

    The Payload for the LA5DAT-D (SR TRD Sport DC 6.5' bed) is 1885. The owner's manual states 1500. We've only seen them on here with door jam stickers showing 1500.

    What happened to that 385 lbs? What are the definitions for Payload and Vehicle Capacity Weight, as I suspect they are not calculated the same way.
     
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  3. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:09 AM
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    Not too get to offtrack but I just looked at my '18 and it doesnt match up either if you subtract curb weight from gvwr. I am missing 415 lbs and the 2022 is 385 lbs off the door jamb. Thats alot of weight to be accounted for.

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  4. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:13 AM
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    Agreed. WTF! An 1840 payload would be pretty sweet as! I'd hang onto that document and use the 1840. After all, GVWR minus the empty weight of your actual truck is your payload.
     
  5. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:15 AM
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    Probably need to weigh your truck with a full tank of fuel and nothing in it to get the real curb weight. Or load it up with everything you normally carry to see how much payload you have left.
     
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  6. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:19 AM
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    For every one of us who wanted a more competitive payload rating, there are 100 potential Tundra buyers who are more interested in mpg, ride comfort, and the size of the screen on the dash. We are Toyota’s red headed step children.
     
  7. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:21 AM
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    LOL I resemble that remark
     
  8. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM
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    I have a feeling that the difference in payloads comes from different interpretation of the "curb weights". For the '22 in the online specs -curb weight is listed at around 5400lb hence the high payload spec. I can't find it right now but I am sure I've seen somewhere some real curb weights that were around 5800lb. Does anybody have the real numbers?
     
  9. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:30 AM
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    This is very true.

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    The great thing about having market competition is you have options. If you don' like what you see you can always spend your hard earned money someplace else.
     
  10. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:32 AM
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    I know that the Curb Weight listed on the Canadian Vehicle Ordering Guide matches the specs on the Toyota.ca website.
     
  11. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:37 AM
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    I was referring to the real ones not the listed ones. We get that answer and we'll understand where the wished 400 payload pounds are :)
     
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  12. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:45 AM
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    Got it. Sorry about that.
     
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    I think the reality is most people don’t even look at Payload ratings! It’s a half ton, load it reasonably and don’t look back. If you are one of those owners that wants to haul a 37’ TT with a half ton, you own the wrong truck. Coil springs on half tons and even on 3/4 tons improve the ride but don’t add strength. That’s why you go from Coils to Leafs on a Ram 2500-3500. The only non base model standard cab long bed half ton that has an impressive payload rating is the F150 with Max tow, and they don’t ride that great and have a big stack of leaf springs in the rear. It is what it is, and I still don’t see it as a problem. Some of you obsess over stuff that’s never going to change. You can add all kinds of suspension mods, tires, etc and your Tundra is capable of carrying more than it should.
     
  14. Dec 23, 2021 at 9:59 AM
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    Ok, I found the missing weight. Payload actually means nothing anymore, simply a marketing tool.

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  15. Dec 23, 2021 at 10:02 AM
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    Man - we get your opinion, how many times do you have to post this? I know you don't care about the payloads but some of us do. Why do you even read our posts while we try to understand the logic behind the sticker numbers?
     
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    Well, ain't that a BFBS!

    So, it's really max payload up to 1555 lbs. Not 1940!

    Maybe the solution is:

    1. Load up your truck.
    2. Hit the scales.
    3. Do not exceed GVWR.
    4. Ignore Payload.
     
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    WTH is your end goal? Are you going to post about payloads until your sticker in the door jamb magically changes?
     
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    The GMs with the max trailering package seem to be pretty good.
     
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    Ya, this is true, but still the sticker doesn't make sense. Can't explain why a base Limited Crew has the same 1400lb payload as a fully optioned one with sunroof, off-road package, spray in bed liner, tailgate step and other options on it. This extra weight should be over 200 lb yet payload stays the same. Anyways, I contacted 2 of the famous online reviewers and they confirmed me that they will reach to Toyota Chief Engineer or other people @ Toyota to clarify this. If I will ever get answers - will post here ASAP.
     
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    If you're as smart as I believe - you can figure that out by reading all the posts. So far you didn't get it
     
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    The curb weight on your registration (5060 lbs) looks really low, even for 2wd. Adding 415 lbs to get 5475 lbs, seems plausible. I've seen people weigh well appointed CMs and be >6000 lbs.

    I think if you subtract your payload from your GVWR you'll be fairly close to your curb weight. Using that formula my truck weighs 5795 lbs.
     
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    Certain 2wd’ s bump 2000 lbs in GM’s, but Ford will yield 3,000 plus.
     
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    Magically? No. Maybe I'm a complete idiot but I thought it was strange that a vehicle with an advertised maximum payload capacity of 1940 lbs doesn't currently seem to exist with one that exceeds 1555 lbs. And Payload doesn't equate to Vehicle Capacity Weight. I'd like to know why.
     
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    This is true. The Curb weights are more in line with the previous generation of GM or Ford. Ford crew cabs for the 11-14 model years were in the high 5000's. My 2014 supercrew 4x4 6.5' lariat Cat Scaled at 6140 lbs with a full tank of fuel and almost nothing in it except my sons car seat base and some crap in the center console.

    Ford did not reduce weight to increase payload. When they went from the steel body to aluminum, the trucks lost ~600-700 lbs of weight, but also 650 lbs of GVWR. Same with GM when they got lighter in 2019. An old steel body F150 with the max-tow package will have virtually the same payload capacity as an aluminum F150 with similar options +/- 50 lbs. I've looks a bunch of times. My 2014 Lariat was 1540 lbs of payload and 2015+ aluminum F150 Lariats that are equipped almost identically were in the same 1500-1600 lb range.

    I think Toyota is more conservative with the GVWR for sure.

    Who bumps their payload year to year?
     
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    Hey there, thanks for this! Since the manufacturer's determine the vehicle's GVWR, perhaps there isn't a standard or regulated margin of safety or whatever. If Ford uses 50% and Toyota uses 75% then I could see how Ford could publish better payload numbers?
     
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    GM lost 450 lbs on average in their crew cabs from the K2 (2014-2018) generation to the T1 (2019+) but the max GVWR went from 7600 lbs to 7300 lbs so the max trailering package trucks actually gained ~150 lbs of payload on average.
     
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    If the GVWR of the Tundras is the same as the competitors' trucks, how is Toyota more conservative with it?
     
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    OK, so if the GVWR's are all similar then the 2022 Tundra is just still heavier than the competition? Probably because they use more robust and reliable parts?
     
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    Fewer of the body parts are aluminum, even on the third gen.
     
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    OK, but doesn't Toyota have poorer NHTSA crash test results?
     

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