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Payload Stickers?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by AnalysisParalysis, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Dec 13, 2021 at 4:54 AM
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    Fast forward to the 3:18 mark to see a spreadsheet with payload numbers for the 2022. Some might find it useful.

    https://youtu.be/A7XBIUDa_hM
     
  2. Dec 13, 2021 at 9:52 AM
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    Kind of disappointing, but I looked in the owners manual and the payloads listed seem more consistent with the actual stickers others have been talking about. These numbers are lower than the specs I have seen comparing trim levels on the Toyota website, which may not be quite accurate.

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  3. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM
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    Thanks for sharing, this is very disappointing for me - it looks like 1400lb is the most we can get for a crew 4x4 (so far all the limited i heard of have 1400 and all the SR5's have 1395) Assuming the Platinum will have the 1310. While this brings some clarification, still weird that payloads are the same per trim regardless of the equipment on them. Maybe they went "worst case scenario" per trim :)?
     
  4. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:03 AM
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    A fine tipped sharpie says my trucks gvwr is now 16k lbs.
     
  5. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:05 AM
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    I don't see 1940 lbs payload anywhere on that list? I know that's for the SR DC 6.5' bed but why isn't it listed?
     
  6. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:12 AM
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    Looks like they were about 400lb overly optimistic :(. This is a huge marketing error
     
  7. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:12 AM
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    I think those are 2.5 gen payloads. Takr away my 38 gal tank and thats what my dooe sticker would read.
     
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  8. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:14 AM
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    they match perfectly what I've seen on the Gen 3 stickers. 1395 for SR5 and 1400 for the Limited
     
  9. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:15 AM
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    If you guys don't trust the website, manual or door sticker, fill up your gas tank and go weigh your truck, then subtract that weight from your GVWR (assuming that number is correct).
     
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  10. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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    Good idea but what truck to weight:):)? This is the deciding factor in my decision to get one or move to another brand. I as much payload as I can for a Travel trailer. 1400lb is not enough with a family of 4.
     
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  11. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:21 AM
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    Yup. I need at least 1500 lbs of payload or else the 2022 Tundra will get deleted from my list of potential new tow vehicles.
     
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    I think you'll have to go with the Ford payload package if you want a 1/2 ton or just get a 3/4 ton and be done with it and do it right
     
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  13. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:25 AM
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    Dumb question, but these 3rd gen Tundras have an optional air suspension. Is that the missing link in this conversation?
     
  14. Dec 13, 2021 at 10:35 AM
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    That's why I was hoping for great numbers from the Tundra, based on the listed specs. 3/4 not an option as this will be my wife's daily truck until the weekend comes
     
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    My '21 Titan XD Platinum Reserve, 4x4, 6'-7" bed with every available option has a payload rating of 1,708 lbs. The Pro4X has a payload over 2k lbs.

    It is much nicer and drives way better than my previous 2500HD Denali too. And is just as solid of a tow vehicle as the old 3/4-ton was. For all the reviews saying "it isn't rated as high as the domestic 3/4-ton trucks, so it sucks"....well all those dipsh*ts are correct. It's really a heavy 1/2-ton with 3/4-ton brakes and steering and is absolutely perfect for those of us towing 5k lb travel trailers with a lot of extra stuff in the truck once or twice a month, yet care about things such as payload, comfort and ride quality.

    Yeah, yeah.....I know "resell sucks", "Nissan sucks"....I don't really care about all of that nonsense, it's the right truck for our needs and I can tell you that with two Toyota trucks and one Nissan currently sitting in our garage the Nissan is the one I want to drive every day.


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  16. Dec 13, 2021 at 11:21 AM
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    Or a GM with the max trailering package.
     
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  17. Dec 13, 2021 at 11:22 AM
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    These guys ignored the door jamb numbers for over a million miles. First guy carried loads up to 2700 lb in his bed.
    million-mile-tundra-1-2.jpg
    Million-Mile-Toyota-Tundra-Bed.jpg

    2nd guy said he went way over his payload rating as well, although I didn't find where he said exactly how much. His bed looked more trashed than the first guy's, though.
    2nd million-mile-toyota-tundra.jpg

    2nd million-mile-toyota-tundra bed.jpg
     
  18. Dec 13, 2021 at 1:16 PM
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    I don't care what the door jamb says. If I don't like rear squat I beef up the springs, and voila problem solved. The truck won't self destruct by beefing up the soft factory springs.
     
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    I've often wondered this: why offer an airbag suspension when your payload is equal to that of a Hyundai Santa Cruz. My guess is they're expecting people will do exactly what you're saying.
     
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    I don’t know what’s worse. The comment or the two people that liked it? But I have told her she’s not a spring chicken anymore. That didn’t go over very well.. oh well.
     
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    Great question. Is there any info available regarding how payload capacity is affected with the optional air suspension?

    Also, for the Canucks, have you seen any information regarding the air suspension being an option in Canada? I haven’t seen anything.
     
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    Payload is simply GVWR - curb weight.

    Exactly how/where are they conservative and by how much? I always hear this but have never seen any data to back it up.

    Sure you can add all types of things to improve handling (heavier springs, sway bars, etc.), but none of this changes the actual payload and in fact reduces it due to added weight.

    From my observation on all of the RV forums and FB groups I belong to you have two classes of people.

    1. People who care about the specifications the engineers have listed.
    2. People who have vehicles with notoriously low payloads and strongly advocate that the numbers are made up, overly conservative or not important so they should be ignored.

    Here's what Toyota has to say about it:

    "The gross vehicle weight must never exceed the GVWR indicated on the Certification Label."

    Now if you're a few pounds or a few hundred pounds over payload is the truck going to self-destruct? Absolutely not.

    But "far beyond the rated capacities"? How far? How much over rear axle GAWR is acceptable? How far beyond GVWR? I'd like to know what the allowable percentages are honestly.
     
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    Good luck prying that information out of a Toyota engineer - if they even know.
     
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    I can pull our travel trailer with my 1st Gen lifted Tacoma all day long. Now longevity, emergency maneuvers or stopping may be an issue, but I guarantee I can pull it. But I probably shouldn't.
     
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    There is information about it: it's not available in Canada. Another "master class" decision by Toyota Canada, beside all the other stand alone options or packages not available here on SR5 or Limited: Tow mirrors, PVM, etc.
     
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    This is from a 2031 F150 XTR, crew cab short box.

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    TFL uploaded a video with their payload sticker and it’s a ‘22 Crewmax limited 5.5’ bed. The payload is 1,400 lbs. So disappointing, not what it shows on their web site at all. Any that I’ve seen are around that 1400 lb mark. It is better than our 2019 Tundra which is just above 1100 lbs and about the same truck. F-150’s are higher, but not worth all the mechanical issues you will likely deal with. My first Tundra was a 2007 and went to 120k miles before I traded it in and it was solid to that point.
     
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    I think it's a reasonable assumption that the number is set by an engineer. But, is it set by the team who designed the truck (specifically the frame, suspension, brakes, axles)? Or does another team of safety engineers come in and assess it? How much does the in-house legal department get involved? Whether it's engineering or legal or both, the end result is a safety buffer. It's de-rated a certain % below actual capability. What would that % be? 25? 30? Even higher?

    There are loads (get it) of examples of 2nd gen Tundras carrying substantially more than they're rated for in the bed. I'm thinking of the million-mile trucks, every built overlander you see on the road, flatbed truck camper conversions on YouTube that sit at 9k lbs, etc. Who knows about the 3rd gen at this point. But with its boxed frame, I bet it holds up, too. I would also think the composite bed would get trashed, but there are just as many Tacoma guys who are heavier than their door jamb numbers as well. Beef up the rear suspension if you squat. In Australia for example, doing this literally earns you a higher payload rating.

    I'm not telling everyone to go overload your trucks. But I'm also not going to choose a different truck with a higher payload rating that I strongly believe will give me more headaches over the life of my ownership simply so I can haul heavy loads two or three times per year.
     
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