Payload Stickers?

It’s also a number in the real world that no one ever uses if you were ever pulled over by a Leo for weight reasons in a half ton truck the only number they would be concerned with is GVWR quit getting hung up on the payload number it means nothing

 

Not hung up at all. Already said I'm just playing devil's advocate. Not saying people can't do as they please, and even if I were it wouldn't mean anything. It's the internet. Nothing is real.

 

I’m just saying if your payload sticker says 1300 pounds and you put 1400 pounds in your truck and you’re still under GVWR you’re fine

 

The only time anyone looks at a payload sticker when they slap it on the door jam other than that it’s not a number that is used for anything

 

I'm not saying anything different. I'm just saying you can't change your payload rating.

 

OK so you can’t change your payload rating but it’s worthless if it’s incorrect it means absolutely nothing

 

I would refer you back to post 475 https://www.tundras.com/threads/payload-stickers.99329/page-16#post-2737898 as it explains the "logic" behind what was done with it. Companies have to account for customers being entitled, litigious, and idiots.

 

I read the post but it still means nothing if you’re under your GVWR but over your payload do you think the Toyota police are going to come after you

 

Didn't say it meant anything. I'm just saying that I understand Toyota low balling it.

 

Correct from a corporate standpoint it makes sense all I’m saying is that sticker and number on it mean absolutely nothing in the real world

 

You can argue that it doesn't change the sticker all you want, that's not what anyone who's actually going to use payload cares for. As someone who uses trucks for utility, I don't give a flying fuck what that sticker says. It can say 69 pounds of payload, but if it has a GVWR of 7,500 and I go and weight it at 6,000, I'm gonna throw 1,500 pounds of shit in it. You're just being obnoxious by arguing that it doesn't change the payload rating. I can also rip 400 pounds out of the truck and quite literally from an engineering standpoint, I'm increasing my payload by 400 pounds. Yeah, great, the sticker still says 69 pounds. Fuck it. Now I'm throwing 1,900 pounds in it. Fuck your sticker, I give a shit about what the truck can do without damaging it or being a danger to myself and others on the road.

 

Breathe.

 

I'm calm. It's just obnoxious when Dfrink did the right thing and went out and weighed his truck to get an accurate payload rating and you're trying to rain on his parade. What he did was 100% correct and his mentality is also the correct one to have. You're trying to argue it doesn't change the sticker. Yeah no shit. No one is arguing that. Everyone's concern here is understanding what the truck is capable of and how Toyota is underrating their trucks and you trying to point out the obvious is bringing nothing of value.

 

You're correct that I can't, for example, add a leaf spring to my truck to artificially increase the payload (GVWR). Your mistake is in thinking that the "payload" number on the sticker in the door is the official capacity, rather than the GVWR.

 

I can see that, but I'm just stating that the rating doesn't change. If that payload rating has X pounds of capacity set aside for driver buffer, that is still the rating. With the fluctuations in all that the only thing that might hit you legally have issues with will be the GVWR. Being a literal bastard about it, though, that doesn't change the payload rating. That's the point I've been harping on, but not necessarily the significance, or lack of significance.

A buddy of mine will say I'm being a literal bastard at times, to which I usually respond that my parents were married and so I am literally not a bastard. He either laughs or or shoots me a dirty look. Either way it's entertaining.

 

My dude there’s no such thing as “payload rating” there is only gross vehicle weight rating. The sticker only says the payload which is cargo and all occupants including the driver can’t exceed some number.

GVWR, GAWR, and GCWR are the only ratings.

 

Now that is a novel approach to it, and you're right. As I said before I've just been playing devil's advocate. Letting off a bit of steam from some crappy work stuff by having a little fun playing the role of a troll, I guess. My apologies for ruffling feathers. I'm an ass at times.


The only thing I would wonder based off of that sticker is how binding it could possibly be. I totally understand the GVWR and such not being exceeded will be the major criteria for any kind of issue, but if some power tripping jerk were to pursue it, how much of a headache could they cause based on the wording there? It states that occupants and cargo should never exceed the 1400 pounds, but what if you can fit more than that while still being under GVWR? I'm just thinking out loud, not arguing the point or anything.

In all things towing and payload related I defer to @ColoradoTJ because the man hauls and tows more than anyone I know. So, @ColoradoTJ, how do you figure the above scenario would work? Would the "should never exceed XXXX pounds" be followed as it is more strict than the GVWR, or would the GVWR be the standard?

 

I understand, but I think the law is pretty clear on GVWR for commercial vehicles. I think it could be argued easily that GVWR means the maximum loaded vehicle weight and therefore if the GVWR is more than the unloaded vehicle weight plus the specified maximum for occupants and cargo capacity, the more cargo or occupant weight can be carried by the vehicle until the GVWR is reached.

At any rate, I think the door sticker is stupid and pointless if it just has a blanket value. It would be much more useful if each truck was weighed and the cargo capacity confirmed individually. ESPECIALLY because Toyota advertises high payloads that aren’t reflected in the sticker.

 

They also didnt tow with it when it was 90 degrees at 11,000’.

Actually, now that you mention it, they just got rid of their tundra so we will never get to see it

 

I believe that the answer lies in the legal definition of every term that Toyota uses in their documents. One document uses Payload. One uses Vehicle Carrying Capacity. One uses Combined Weight of Occupants and Cargo. I've yet to find the legal definition for any of these terms. I've asked my dealership twice. Still waiting for a reply. I asked Tim from Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk. He recently produced a nice video discussing payload but failed to answer this exact question. I'm tired of asking the same question multiple times!

I feel that the door jam sticker must include the weight of something that is not accounted for when the Payload for the truck is listed in Ordering Guide documents etc., hence the discrepancy when weighing these trucks.

All I care about is being safe, legal, competent and not exceeding; GVWR, GCVWR, GAWR and tire ratings.

 

The GVWR is, payload is gvwr minus curb weight.

The links there all say you can increase the payload capacity of the truck by removing weight. So wouldn’t that imply that the payload is simply a calculation?

Just like HP is a calculated value based on RPM and Torque, Payload is a calculated value based on weight and gvwr

 

Keep reading. This was yesterday's asshattery.

 

TFL did some fairly tough towing with their '22. Ike Gauntlet twice, LA to Denver with the 7klb HQ19 (without a WDH) a load in the bed and three passengers. Even took the HQ19 offroad in Moab. Denver to Phoenix also. The drivetrain did fine. Yeah, it wasn't 90 degrees ambient temp. We'll see this summer if there are cooling troubles with the TTV6.

As for payload door jamb stickers if one chooses to exceed it that's a personal choice. I beef up the rear suspension if I see too much squat with a trailer hooked up and gear in the cargo area.

 

The key word on the door jamb label is "should". If it was an absolute number it would say "shall". The application of these terms are critical in regulations and legal discussions and documents. The fact that is says "should" means it is a suggested limit not an absolute limit. Again reinforcing the usage of terminology and that it is more a CYA on Toyota's part. Actual vehicle measurement relative to the GVWR is the true capacity.

 

Just weighed mine for the first time with everything I normally carry.

7200 GVWR and it weighs 6520lbs.Feel good where it's at. Time for 35/12.50s.

 

not much tongue capacity left, or is that with a trailer ?

 

My boat trailer is around 3,500lbs with about 350lb tongue weight.

 

looks like your gold assuming that was all the passengers and full tank

woohoo

 

Had a full tank at the time and my boat only handles one other person besides me...Phew.

 

Well, that's encouraging! I had nearly eliminated the Tundra due to low payload stickers. I full-time towing a camper, carry lots of stuff so need maximum payload. Limited DC with offroad package showed sticker of 1490. My current Highlander has 1340! So, almost bought an F-150 with 1820 payload sticker. Hoping I might be able to actually weigh a Tundra on a test drive Thanks.