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Payload Stickers?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by AnalysisParalysis, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Feb 9, 2022 at 4:53 PM
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    Yes, I weighed my truck fully loaded for dispersed camping with full fluids and all five people and one dog in the truck as well. We were at 7400lb, which is 200lb over my door jamb GVWR of 7200lb.

    According to the door jamb, my payload is 1270 lb. Therefore, the curb weight according to the door jamb is 5930 lb. But I’ve never weighed the truck with nothing and no one in it and a full tank of fuel. Just curious how much, if at all, my actual curb weight is off from the door jamb says.
     
  2. Feb 11, 2022 at 8:08 AM
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    From a Canadian 2022 SR5 CM 4WD 5.5’ bed (not TRD Sport or Off-Road).

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    I wonder what determines if its 1395 vs 1400. Like why in the world would this SR5 have a lower payload than the Limited CM 5.5' 4x4 TRD OR from TFLTruck

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    The GVWR is higher, but only by 10 kg, or 22 lbs.

    Also, why do we have to play games with the GVWR? Why is it 10 kg different for two trucks of the same basic configuration? If I go buy an F150 4x4 crew cab 5.5' with the 3.5L, every single one has the same GVWR weather its a XL with no options or a King Ranch with built in butt scratches.
     
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    I think the GVWR differences indicate there's a component limiting the GVWR.

    For instance, an SR5 CrewMax 6.5' 4x4 TRD OR has a higher GVWR of 7350lbs (32.2 gal tank standard on this layout), to cover the added 12" of frame/bed, so the frame isn't the limiting factor.

    But for 2WD Toyota knocks the GVWR down 2-300lbs. 4x4 parts weight is mostly on front axle anyway.

    I think it points to the composite bed as the limiting factor
     
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  6. Feb 11, 2022 at 5:19 PM
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    After looking at the owner’s manual carefully, I’m starting to realize that we can just look up what the door jamb sticker will say for payload. We just need to know the model code.

    5th and 6th digit - bed size and driveline
    • 70 5.5 ft bed 2WD
    • 71 6.5 ft bed 2WD
    • 72 8.1 ft bed 2WD
    • 75 5.5 ft bes 4WD
    • 76 6.5 ft bed 4WD
    • 77 8.1 ft bed 4WD
    8th Digit - cab size
    • C - Double Cab
    • P - Crewmax
    9th Digit - bed size
    • S - 5.5 ft bed
    • R - 6.5 ft bed
    • H - 8.1 ft bed
    11th digit - Trim
    • S - SR/SR5
    • L - Limited
    • Z - Platinum/1794
    So the last two pics posted are for VXKA75L-PSUSZA (Crewmax, short bed, 4WD, SR5) and VXKA75L-PSULZA (Crewmax, short bed, 4WD, Limited) with 1395 lbs and 1400 lbs respectively. However, there payload in kg is exactly the same, 635 kg. It seems Toyota is just copy pasting the capacity weight they designated for each model to the door jamb sticker. That number is not payload capacity since that will be GVWR-vehicle curb weight.

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    @bc_matt this is the post where the guy weighs his truck
     
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    That looks promising. A lot better than the lousy 1400-1500 payload capacity on the stinky stickers.

     
  10. Feb 21, 2022 at 11:32 AM
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    I just weighed my truck, 22’ limited Crewmax 5.5 with premium pkg and full moon roof, oval aluminum running boards from Toyota and trifold tonneau. GVWR = 7230 on sticker; says payload is 1400 before running boards and cover but…..
    CAT scale weight was 5980. So, as equipped, and adding 300 for two passengers and removing 65lbs for tonneau and minus some tools at about 50 lbs, the true payload for an empty slide in camper could only be about 1065 lbs. then adding gear would most likely drop it to under 1000lbs available payload. Not to mention adding airbags for suspension.
     
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  11. Feb 22, 2022 at 1:05 PM
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    Screenshot from the video I posted above. The Maverick beats 3 Tundras and 2 Fords. LOL WTF


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  13. Feb 22, 2022 at 1:20 PM
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    The curb weight is a lower proportion of its GVWR. Why is that shocking for a small unibody vehicle?
     
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    I guess it's the GVWR for each vehicle that surprises me. I'd assumed that they would've designed the vehicles with greater towing capacities to qualify for a GVWR that equated to a higher payload capacity than the vehicle with less towing capacity.
    And, for anyone not planning to tow anything, isn't the Maverick the better truck for hauling, when compared to the Tundra's and 2 of the Ford's?
     
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    Do we have real world payload numbers for Hybrid models yet?
     
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    No, because we have no hybrids... yet.
     
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    Yes, a TRD Pro is a hybrid and it has a payload sticker of 1400 lbs with a panoramic moonroof. Supposedly the Pro can be up to 1600 lbs though.
    Toyota jacks up the GVWR on hybrids (I Force Max) to keep the payload ratings similar to regular gas I Force Tundras

    Also the video in post #431 shows a Capstone model sticker of 1345 lbs, it is also hybrid
     
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    Yes, we've seen stickers, but I want to know if there's significant extra room in between CAT scale curb weight and GVWR on the hybrids the way there is with the non-hybrids.

    What would be really nice would be a HDPP with an extra 5-600 lbs of payload on the iForce Max trucks. But I'm not holding my breath.

    650 ft-lbs of torque and 1400 lbs of payload. :bananadead::bananadead::bananadead:
     
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    I don't recall seeing that. Would you mind letting me where you saw that? It would be nice to have that much payload on these trucks!
     
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    Lol i think you are in the wrong forum asking for HDPP.. Im in a toss up between a f150 and a tundra hybrid.. If the payload is going to be about 1400 then there is no sense in getting a regular gas model.
     
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    Post #426 shows the payload for non-hybrid models. From as low as 1320 lbs up to a maximum of 1580 lbs.
     
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    The maximum payload sheet Toyota put out.

    Maybe Toyota may choose to build a Pro without a pano roof, and without other options, you just can't "order" one because Toyota doesn't take "orders". That pisses me off, it's getting tiresome with Toyota's policies
     
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    Would you mind sharing a copy of that? I don't recall having seen it. Appreciate it!
     
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    It seems that everyone is taking the door sticker as gospel, when we have a few cases where a truck was actually weighed and found the payload was understated by 10-15%. If you look at the base specifications that Toyota lists for curb weight and GVWR (https://www.toyota.com/tundra/2022/features/mpg_other_price/8341/8386/8424), the starting payload of an SR5 4x4 DC with no options would be 1885 lbs (7265-5380). The one DC 4x4 that has actually been weighed showed a useful load of ~1665 lbs which included the weight of the tonneau cover and spray in liner. Taking out that weight which according to the door sticker attached by the dealer would make the curb weight of this truck at ~1761 lbs. That's 261 lbs more than the door sticker and allowing ~120 lbs for the option packages gets you closer to the payload published by Toyota for this model of truck. In other words, the door stickers at this point are somewhat useless when you look at the limited sample of trucks that have been actually weighed on this forum.

    I just weighed my 2012DC 4x4 base model with the camper shell, full fuel, me in the cab, spray in bedliner, tube steps, load range E tires, and some other stuff and that came in at 6180 lbs. The sticker says my payload is 1380 lbs which allowing for all the add-ons means that sticker was about 60-80 lbs less than the actual payload based on the Cat Scale weight. It also means the travel trailer I am towing with a measured tongue weight of 720 lbs leaves me with 200 lbs of load capacity which is taken up by the wife and dog. If I want to carry anything else it needs to go in the trailer over or behind the axles.

    It only costs $12.50 to weigh at a Cat Scale. I have a 2022 DC 4x4 SR5 coming in about 3-4 weeks and since I pass two Cat Scales on the way home from the dealer I will get a baseline curb weight, even going so far as filling up the tank and getting out of the truck while it is being weighed. Based on the data I am seeing I am gaining about 250-300 lbs in payload over the 2012.
     
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    If there's no difference in the way they're built, buy yourself a base SR5 (non hybrid) then just assume your GVWR is 7710 lbs or whatever the max the hybrids get is. (Obviously only works if we can confirm that hybrids aren't beefed up to get a higher GVWR.)
     
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    Whoa, you made a major extrapolation to all non-hybrids from the data I provided. I weighed a single SR5 DC 6.5' truck and there was a disparity. But I haven't seen any data that suggests the non-hybrid Limited/Plat/1794 trims have the same hidden disparity. The Limited have nearly identical payload numbers to SR5, but are certainly going to weigh 100-200 lbs more in curb weight, but I don't believe their GVWR is 100-200 lbs higher.

    @PJzblueprint did not give a number for what his actual curb weight or payload or GVWR was on his Limited CrewMax 5.5'
     
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    Sure. Maybe it is only some of the non-hybrids, not all. And if I recall correctly, the higher trims do have higher GVWR…I’ve seen them from 7035 to 72XX. Don’t recall exactly, and I’m on my phone right now…
     
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    If you look at this PDF which is a print out of the Toyota web site referenced above, the TRD Pro has a base payload of 1600 lbs and the Capstone 1485 lbs. There is no real world curb weight of a TRD Pro I am aware of; however, we have a real world weight of an SR5 DC 4x4 with a couple of option packages that seems to indicate the payload shown on Toyota's website is closer to reality than the sticker put on the door. More actual curb weights would be useful to draw any conclusions.
     

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    (see quoted post for 4x4 SR5 DC 6.5')

    Here's actual weight on my 4x4 SR5 TRD OR CrewMax 6.5' with FULL tank of fuel (32.2 gal). No one is in the truck.
    Options include Softex seats and TRD OR package.

    1355lb - 11lb = 1344 payload sticker rating.
    GVWR = 7340lbs
    Curb weight
    = ~5700lbs full of fuel
    7340 - 5700lbs = actual payload of ~1640lbs as equipped

    (FYI, this same truck, except with manual fabric seats should be 1450 lbs sticker)

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