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Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by AnalysisParalysis, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Dec 29, 2021 at 6:18 PM
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    Look up the difference between a semi-floating rear axle (half ton trucks) and a fully floating rear axle (3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks). You could beef up shocks, springs, brakes, cooling for engine and transmission, you could box the C-channel frame in the rear and reinforce it like some here have done. And you’d still have a half-ton truck. You’d still have that semi-floating rear axle where heavy loads make your bearings wear out prematurely. Or explode, like the guy on this forum who overloaded his Tundra with hay bales.

    I guess you could try to put new axles on it. At that point, is it still a Tundra? You might as well have just bought an HD truck and saved yourself tons of time and money trying to turn your truck into an HD truck, which is something it will never actually be.
     
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    I would like a full floater, but Tundra axles are strong enough. The Tundra bearings sometimes wear out due to poor tolerances and preload, not because of carrying a load. Boxing the frame would be nice for stiffness reasons and direct camper mounting but not for strength. >1 ton trucks all have frames more flexible than the old Tundra's. Engine and transmission cooling and brakes are more than up to the task, no worries there. Anyone who wants to offroad with a load in their 1 ton will do mods at least as extensive as I need to do with my Tundra. Their suspension and tires suck in that capacity.

    Which do you think will have fewer issues then... a Tundra or a 1 ton domestic?
     
  3. Dec 29, 2021 at 7:41 PM
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    Here’s the axle bearing destruction thread. 4 x 1500 lb hay bales on a trailer (that’s only 6k lbs plus the trailer weight) plus another 1500 lb hay bale in the bed. Dude blew out his rear axle bearings. A modern 3/4T or 1T truck would have been fine with that. This happened under his tow rating but well above his payload rating.
     
  4. Dec 29, 2021 at 7:43 PM
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    Doesn't mean what you think it means. How many times did the million mile Tundra guy blow out his bearings hauling 2700 lbs?
     
  5. Dec 29, 2021 at 8:24 PM
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    You mean on the smooth pavement that 90% of the driving as a hotshot is vs the few "rough" roads the hay was hauled on that would be far more representative of the off roading you say it'll handle while overloaded?
     
  6. Dec 29, 2021 at 8:49 PM
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    Are you suggesting there is no difference hauling a very heavy load in just the bed vs hauling 9k lbs with an additional 1500lb in the bed?

    I’m comfortable being over payload occasionally. I’m not comfortable towing at or near max capacity while doing it. If I needed to do the latter, I’d reluctantly sell my truck for an HD rig.
     
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  7. Dec 29, 2021 at 10:03 PM
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    10% of 1,000,000 miles is still 100k...

    Like a few in that thread said, that bearing had been failing for a long time. Plenty of people have had axle bearings fail while never hauling a load, and it's almost always the right one. With bearings like these if the mounting tolerances are off the bearings experience much higher side forces (which they aren't designed for) and they fail. If tolerances are good they last forever if they are kept lubed and clean.

    From Jowitt Engineering: "The rear axle is just plain overkill on this truck... along with the rest of the truck. I'd say the weakest part of the axle is the 5 bolt hub. The rear bearing is a dual row ball angular contact. It measures 3.34" OD x 1.92" ID and 1.88" wide. So a 1.47" shaft tapering out to a tad over 1.92". Quite a bit larger than any previous generation big three truck. From what I can gather, the only other truck to use a double row ball is the Dodge with a 2.97" OD x 1.57" ID x 1.57" wide unit. The Ford and Chevy use single row rollers just under 3" OD, shafts of 1.6 - 1.7", bearing width of 1" - 1.19"
     
  8. Dec 29, 2021 at 10:12 PM
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    The million mile Tundra you keep referencing , is there any proof of it actually doing it or just the owners claim that it did it ?
    As far as the frames go , how many Tundras on this forum alone that have an accident ( either front end , rear end or side impact ) that end up being totalled due to frame damage ? If the frames were so overbuilt why would they bend like that ? ( this is not a knock on the Tundra as I think any 1/2 ton would be the same ) .
     
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    Vehicles these days are designed to permanently bend (plastically deform) in a collision, in order to reduce G forces and protect occupants.
     
  10. Dec 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM
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    Read as; vehicle now days are made to crumple under high enough stress... so let's overload it...
     
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    We have 15 years of data for 2nd gen Tundras. Do they crumple when hauling a load? ... and flying over whoops and jumps in the desert?
     
  12. Dec 30, 2021 at 3:52 PM
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    Limited double cab.

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    These payload stickers are baffling. I've seen DC SR5's with only 10 lbs more than that Limited. No PANO roof, etc.
     
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    There must be pot of gold and iron hidden somewhere on these trucks that weigh a lot.....

    The bottom line is no matter what the trim, model, etc..... I out are not going to see over 1,600 payload. If that even matters to you.
     
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    They really are. We need to start paying attention to GVWR listed as well. The more-equipped second gens had higher GVWRs…my payload/GVWR is 1270/7200; my neighbor’s 2020 double cab Limited TRD OR is 1300/7100. His truck is identical to mine underneath—same frame, shocks, springs, brakes, axles, wheels, tires, etc. Mine is just a bigger, fatter pig with the crewmax backseat, so I get a 100 lb bump in GVWR.

    I wonder how much they’re raising GVWR in order to cushion the payload on various 3rd gens. Lowest 2nd gen GVWR I’ve seen is 7000 lb. so there is a 200 lb range that isn’t accounted for by anything in particular. It really seems they just raise it for trucks that have higher curb weights.
     
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    I thought the CM standard beds have 7395 or something like that.
     
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    I believe that is the upcoming hybrid models. They increase payload by 195 pounds to compensate for the 300 lb. Batteries.
     
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    True. What I've noticed over the years is for safety sake I beef up the rear suspension. For example, the '05 Tundra. I took it onto a 4-lane right away, did a simulated emergency lane change at 60mph. Rear end was difficult to control, wouldn't track with the front.

    Solution was Bilstein HD shocks, Hellwig helper springs, Hellwig rear swaybar. Squat was controlled, rear end didn't twitch around yanking the wheel hard left-right simulating a highspeed emergency lane change.

    Did the mods change the factory payload? No. Did the mods make the truck safer? Yes. Did the mods put too much stress on the rear axle/bearings, a false sense of security to overload the rear? No, just a matter of enhancing the soft Toyota rear end.

    I figure the 3rd Gen has soft rear springs - progressive springs but still on the softer side. For those that are using it for loads I wouldn't hesitate to slap in HD aftermarket rear coils. Sumo and Timbren will have rear bumps out soon, those are really good for rear sway control and load management.
     
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    Apologies for the continued annoyance but I’m still looking for anyone with a payload sticker showing greater than 1500 lbs.
     
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    A 4x2 dc must be over 1500 or a sr?
     
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    No pic but I saw one on a dealer lot owned by the sales manager-1510 on a limited crewmax 4x2.
     
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    Yep, somebody needs to find one of those, because that's where the 1900+ lb claim was made.
     
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    I posted a pic that showed 1555 on a dc 2wd sr5. A 1940 payload does not exist. Toyota uses payload specs for "comparison sake only" and your Load Carrying Capacity on the sticker is what the truck is rated for, or your "payload".
     
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    Needs to be an SR; that's the "work truck" model.

    I think we've already established that the GVWR is a bit arbitrary. Heck they might have put stiffer springs on the SR.
     
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    If a 2022 SR DC 2WD with zero options, packages or accessories should offer a payload of 1940 lbs and the 4WD comes with a weight penalty of 275 lbs, I guess the second largest payload would be 1665 lbs.

    1665 minus the larger fuel tank, integrated brake controller and hitch and I guessing it'll be less than 1555 lbs.

    I guess I was just not factoring in the real impact of the 4WD. A 2022 with a payload between 1665 and 1940 simply cannot exist.
     
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    No, the SR is not gonna have any "payload" advantage over an SR5. They have the same specs, gvwr and curb weight.

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    I'm surprised they would have the same curb weight.
     
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    Ladies and Gents, we have a winner!!
     
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    I think you’re right, but the other moving target is GVWR. Toyota apparently exercises some leeway with their GVWR ratings as we’ve seen on this thread. If a truck exists that has the highest GVWR that they’ll allow on the 3rd gen while also being minimally optioned and having the lowest curb weight, maybe it could get there? :notsure: But with all we’ve seen so far, it really doesn’t seem that way. In fact, it seems that Toyota bumps GVWR up to help the payload rating on the better-optioned (read: higher curb weight) trucks.
     
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    Above is correct with the leeway on gvwr and is the reason the 2wd dc sr5 longbed has a higher load carrying capacity than a shortbed by 30-40ish pounds. The longbed even has the big tank standard.
     
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