1. Welcome to Tundras.com!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tundra discussion topics
    • Transfer over your build thread from a different forum to this one
    • Communicate privately with other Tundra owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

P&P Engineering Tundra Front Low Pro Winch Bumper

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by mac11, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. Jan 8, 2017 at 8:46 PM
    #1
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana
    A couple months ago we met Cody - @MidwestOverlanders - and made some sliders for his Tundra TRDPRO, Brutus. Since then we've seen a very strong interest in our sliders and Cody has trusted us with his truck to take on front & rear bumpers, full front to rear skid plates (pics coming soon) and now a low pro front bumper. We're very close to having them production ready and thought we would throw up some pictures now that we've roughed in the low pro bumper.

    This is our low pro winch bumper. It was designed around a smittybuild X20 12k winch. Will fit almost any remote solenoid winch up to this size as the winch bucket is the full width of the frame rails of the truck. It is about 1.5" tighter to the truck than our plate bumper so depth of the winch should be paid attention to.

    This Low Pro bumper is fully bolt on with no cutting, or modification of any kind necessary to the stock bumper. The Tundra bumper fully disassembles and the center section simply unbolts and is set aside. It can be reinstalled at any time.

    The mounting plates are 1/4" thick and the bumper side bracket has been laminated to 1/2" thick where it connects to the mounting brackets on the truck. You can tug on that with any winch and it will not pull through. The mounting brackets are fully adjustable in every direction. Including at the trucks frame mount and the connection between the brackets and the bumper. Aligning the gap wide for off rood purposes or narrow for street style is a matter of adjusting it to your preference. The stock plastic bumper corners are also independantly adjustable from the center section to compensate for manufacturing tolerances at Toyota and our shop. It can all be adjusted to your preferred gap alignment. A 1"+ gap to the fenders and grille is recommended for off road use. the body mounts on this truck are very soft. Anything smaller could result in contact with and damage to the fenders as the body moves around on the frame.

    IMG_5303.jpg
    IMG_5304.jpg
    IMG_5305.jpg
    IMG_5306.jpg
    IMG_5307.jpg
    15875137_587269368130042_4948481911956660276_o.jpg
    15895456_589252597931719_5862629189302679835_o.jpg
     
  2. Jan 8, 2017 at 10:00 PM
    #2
    csuviper

    csuviper Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Member:
    #38
    Messages:
    17,239
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brian
    Broomfield, CO
    Vehicle:
    2019 TRD Sport CM 5.7L 4X4
    Some Mods :) See build thread for details
    I like it. Simple addition of a winch without major change in appearance from stock on the front end. Full bolt on and and ability to go back to stock if you ever sell the truck.
     
  3. Jan 10, 2017 at 10:02 AM
    #3
    FirstGenTundra

    FirstGenTundra R2R

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Member:
    #2715
    Messages:
    817
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Daniel
    Wyoming
    Vehicle:
    2014 Toyota Tundra TRD
    This is a pretty cool concept. :thumbsup:
     
  4. Jan 10, 2017 at 8:35 PM
    #4
    Paulskie

    Paulskie New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Member:
    #770
    Messages:
    218
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Paul
    Vehicle:
    2014 Attitude Black 1794
    SABM, TRD sway bar, interior LED swap, Husky's in front and WeatherTech in the back, TRD Pro Grill, Rigid Fod lights, Rigid 40" E-series, Rigid 32" hood light, BLHM with RX350/STI projectors, 4% tint, 50% windshield.
    Great concept.
     
  5. Jan 10, 2017 at 9:09 PM
    #5
    CM-LENNY

    CM-LENNY No Complaints

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4379
    Messages:
    1,251
    Gender:
    Male
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    2015 4x4 CrewMax SR5
    PRO shocks, 37's Nitto G2's 4:88 diffs, few other mods
    Gotta hand it to you P&P designers, you come up with some pretty cool stuff. Keep it coming !
     
    mac11 [OP] likes this.
  6. Jan 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM
    #6
    Morgan51

    Morgan51 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2016
    Member:
    #5360
    Messages:
    379
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2016 Inferno CM Tundra TRD
    Interesting design! Can't wait to see the final product :thumbsup:
     
  7. Mar 22, 2017 at 9:15 AM
    #7
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana
    Assembled pics should be available later today. Installed pics will be available as soon as we get it ask back to the customer

    IMG_6524.jpg
    IMG_6521.jpg
    image.jpg
     
  8. Mar 22, 2017 at 9:27 AM
    #8
    Relentless

    Relentless Eric @Relentless Fab Vendor

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Member:
    #19
    Messages:
    899
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Eric
    East of the Sierras(Reno), Nevada
    Vehicle:
    '14 Crewmax TRD 4x4> '15 Duramax SLT
    Just a few, more to come
    Think that mounting is going to hold up without any gussets? Also curious why you're keeping the intermediate aluminum standoffs and not just bolting straight to frame?
     
  9. Mar 22, 2017 at 9:56 AM
    #9
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana
    The mounting brackets aren't shown in these pictures. And from that question you don't see whats going on here.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2017
  10. Mar 22, 2017 at 9:58 AM
    #10
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana
    My mounting brackets are directly to the frame and I do think they will hold up as they have been holding up on the full plate bumper with a 12k winch. They are also reinforced and fully adjustable so the bumper can be setup with a large gap for the guys off roading that will be flexing the body mOunts quite a bit or a small to no gap for the guys who stay on the road and want a tighter look.

    I'm also not keeping the aluminum crash bar.

    IMG_5322.jpg
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2017
  11. Mar 22, 2017 at 10:19 AM
    #11
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana
    The outer pads only mount the factory cross bar that holds the bumper end caps on. This Is also adjustable so the end caps can be aligned to the new center bumper section to the customers taste without running into factory tolerances.

    IMG_6533.jpg

    IMG_6532.jpg
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2017
    J4RR3N4 and Relentless like this.
  12. Mar 22, 2017 at 10:26 AM
    #12
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana
    Factory bumper end caps then bolt right back on the toyota sheet metal like they did from the factory.

    IMG_6534.jpg
    IMG_6535.jpg
    IMG_6536.jpg
    image.jpg
     
    Smoofers and J4RR3N4 like this.
  13. Mar 22, 2017 at 10:27 AM
    #13
    Paulskie

    Paulskie New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Member:
    #770
    Messages:
    218
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Paul
    Vehicle:
    2014 Attitude Black 1794
    SABM, TRD sway bar, interior LED swap, Husky's in front and WeatherTech in the back, TRD Pro Grill, Rigid Fod lights, Rigid 40" E-series, Rigid 32" hood light, BLHM with RX350/STI projectors, 4% tint, 50% windshield.
    Thats one great looking bumper
     
    mac11 [OP] likes this.
  14. Mar 22, 2017 at 10:30 AM
    #14
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana

    Thanks.


    The only changes from the pics in the OP to those today are that we welded the seams and sanded them smooth. So the pics in the OP are how the bumper will look on the truck. Making arrangements now to get the finished bumper mounted on the truck when we can get together.
     
  15. Mar 22, 2017 at 10:38 AM
    #15
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana
    Fully assembled.

    IMG_6537.jpg
    IMG_6538.jpg
    IMG_6539.jpg
    IMG_6540.jpg
     
    Akaklutz and J4RR3N4 like this.
  16. Mar 22, 2017 at 12:57 PM
    #16
    Krezz

    Krezz Doesn't want to be new member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2016
    Member:
    #4132
    Messages:
    2,265
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Kevin
    Southern Ontario, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tundra Crewmax Platinum
    See Build Thread or Website
    Piece of art right there.

    The more I see from you guys the quicker I become a fan.
    I think the future may bring us together.
     
    mac11 [OP] likes this.
  17. Mar 22, 2017 at 5:58 PM
    #17
    CM-LENNY

    CM-LENNY No Complaints

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4379
    Messages:
    1,251
    Gender:
    Male
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    2015 4x4 CrewMax SR5
    PRO shocks, 37's Nitto G2's 4:88 diffs, few other mods
    Nice looking addition to the already great line of products you fab. You folks are artists !
     
    mac11 [OP] likes this.
  18. Mar 22, 2017 at 6:43 PM
    #18
    Relentless

    Relentless Eric @Relentless Fab Vendor

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Member:
    #19
    Messages:
    899
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Eric
    East of the Sierras(Reno), Nevada
    Vehicle:
    '14 Crewmax TRD 4x4> '15 Duramax SLT
    Just a few, more to come
    Got it, understand the mounting now. :thumbsup:
     
    mac11 [OP] likes this.
  19. Mar 22, 2017 at 8:42 PM
    #19
    MotoTundra

    MotoTundra The Ocho

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Member:
    #8
    Messages:
    7,610
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Don
    -TRS Mini D2S Retrofit on TRD Pro Headlights (Apollo 2.0 Shrouds, 35w XB Ballasts, 5500k Bulbs) -Baja Designs Squadron R Sport Aux lights. -TRD Pro Grill -TRD Rear Sway Bar -BakFlip VP Tonneau w/BakBox -Dipped wheels & bumpers -Iron Cross HD steps -Undercover Swingcase -SunTek Paint Protection film -Tinted glass -Bedmat -OEM Towing Mirrors
    Pretty nifty!
     
    mac11 [OP] likes this.
  20. Mar 22, 2017 at 8:43 PM
    #20
    J4RR3N4

    J4RR3N4 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2016
    Member:
    #5162
    Messages:
    488
    South east Texas
    Vehicle:
    14 Tundra
    3” lift on 35’s
    Awesome job. Looks nice AND it works!
     
    mac11 [OP] likes this.
  21. Mar 23, 2017 at 1:16 PM
    #21
    Polack100

    Polack100 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    Member:
    #6031
    Messages:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Don
    Prescott, Az
    Vehicle:
    ''08 Tacoma SR5 Off Road
  22. Mar 23, 2017 at 1:17 PM
    #22
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana

    Right on.
     
  23. Mar 23, 2017 at 1:33 PM
    #23
    sdhq_offroad

    sdhq_offroad New Member Vendor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2016
    Member:
    #3253
    Messages:
    1,162
    GILBERT, AZ
    How heavy are you expecting this to be when all is said and done?
     
  24. Mar 23, 2017 at 1:43 PM
    #24
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana

    This steel one is ~85lbs. An AL version would be ~40ish% lighter.
     
  25. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM
    #25
    sdhq_offroad

    sdhq_offroad New Member Vendor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2016
    Member:
    #3253
    Messages:
    1,162
    GILBERT, AZ
    Would you really trust an all aluminum version? I feel it would bend at the frame mounting points. Our hidden winch mount only weights in at 55lbs, but we also designed ours for a clean stock look while keeping the weight as close to the front suspension as possible to decrease how far the front end is pulled down by weight. Looks to be as yours is also catered to the more common cheaper Smittybilt winches as we designed ours around the Warn.
     
    PRO BLANCO likes this.
  26. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:32 PM
    #26
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana


    We built with the new smitybuilt winch because that's what the customer brought in. From what research I've done the Warns without integrated solenoids are roughly the same size and should fit. I would be interested in seeing how many of each brand winch people are buying to know if we should tailor things one way or another?

    Material thickness would change for an AL version - hence ~40% lighter and not the 55%+ that going straight over to same thickness AL would yield. I don't want to make it sound like I would ignore the real world but with a well setup FEA I can run a through simulation and determine appropriate changes before building in the real world and have a pretty good confidence before burning through a bunch of material.

    Less from the mechanical engineering stand point and more from the practical side of things this is what I see. At the end of the day every winch is bolted down with 4 ~3/8" bolts in single shear and the attachment to the truck frame is a handful of 10mm studs that are grade 5 at best. Those OEM bumper mount studs are all tugging on the threads not even using the shear strength of the bolts. Once make everything around that stronger than those connections with a reasonable factory of safety theres not much more you can do. You'll pull the threads off the factory Toyota bolts before You bend 3/8" 6xxx series AL thats laminated with another piece of 1/4" or 3/8" AL.

    And there are a lot of all AL winch bumpers on the market from various companies already. Some of which - from an engineering standpoint - look pretty sketchy, but are very visually appealing. And they have been used, abused and been through car crashes.
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2017
    texasrho83 likes this.
  27. Jul 26, 2018 at 10:52 AM
    #27
    Js18tundra

    Js18tundra New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2017
    Member:
    #11047
    Messages:
    222
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    18 Tundra sr5 TRD 4x4
    Diamondback se tonneau
    Sorry for the old thread bump, but is anyone running this bumper? Was considering this or the slimline
     
    jewsNbrews likes this.
  28. Jul 26, 2018 at 2:04 PM
    #28
    mac11

    mac11 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Member:
    #4381
    Messages:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Warsaw, Indiana

    There are a couple forum members with them.

    This guy is on the forum but I forget his screen name.

    3B38A496-09CD-4620-9602-BC81DDA3C6D8.jpg
     
  29. Jul 26, 2018 at 5:56 PM
    #29
    texasrho83

    texasrho83 Teacher in a Tundra

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2017
    Member:
    #7025
    Messages:
    3,539
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Charles
    Conroe TX
    Vehicle:
    2016 DC MGM 4x4
    See build link
    Damn that’s just hotness...
     
    jewsNbrews and mac11 [OP] like this.
  30. Jul 26, 2018 at 7:41 PM
    #30
    Js18tundra

    Js18tundra New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2017
    Member:
    #11047
    Messages:
    222
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    18 Tundra sr5 TRD 4x4
    Diamondback se tonneau
    I don’t know why more people don’t rock it, it’s so clean!
     
    mac11 [OP] and texasrho83 like this.

Products Discussed in

To Top