OME 2.5” Lift Measurements?

I feel like up until this thread, the main complaint has been it sitting higher than intentional with the 613s.

 

I threw my sway bar away as soon as I removed it to install the lift!

I sent pics to Wheeler's & they stated it's all installed correctly & everything looks correct except the amount of lift.

I wish I would've gone w/the 614!
Wheeler's is contacting ARB/OME. I paid $40 for springs to be installed & $99.95 for alignment & don't feel I should have to pay that again seeing as none of this is my fault.

 

Sitting on ground:

Full droop/down travel:

Drive axle angle (NOT good!)

Front shot on ground:

Rake/stance (damn near level):

 

One more thing that is who knows is possible or not. Is there anyway the top-hat (top coil retainer) of the coilover is installed up-side down? This would essentially give these coils a bracket lift. And max out your shock extension.

 

I don't believe it can be but they're not. They say "OUT" with an arrow facing outward on the top of them & I installed them that way. Also, the rubber pad that is between the coil & the tophat had pretty much become one w/the tophat. I would've had to pry that off the tophat, flip the tophat over & stick it to the other side & that didn't happen. Good looking out, though!
I'm all for any input as to why this is happening as I'm not a rookie @ this stuff, & I'm not ignorant, but Wheeler's, ARB & myself have no clue as to how this could happen so any/every idea you think that could be causing this I'm ready to hear! ALL input/advice/thoughts are welcome!
Thanks.

EDIT***
No way to mount the tophat upside down as the mounting bolts would be hitting the coils. They're pressed into the tophat & not really removable.

 

Fair enough

 

From what I read, the difference between the 614 & 613 is only 10mm (0.3937008") in height & both are 740lb springs. If this is correct, the 614's will only lower me <.5". That won't make enough of a difference. There has got to be something else going on here that is keeping the coilover from resting @ a more compressed length. It seems something must be in a bind or something.
What about the axle shafts? Could they have come out too far & cause this? If they weren't all the way in, could I still put it all back together? Would it make noise in 4wd (I just tried it for a few feet & it all sounded/functioned normally)?
It does this w/the UCA removed so it can't be that.
Maybe the wrong coils, even though they have the 613X labels still on them?
I'm just spit-balling @ this point.

 

This piece circled in red is the top of the front shock :
It’s supposed to be where it is (between the top of the shock and the top hat washer) and is installed correctly, isn’t it? If it wasn’t in there, I think the shock bolt would be sticking out up top another 1.5-2” so I’m pretty sure it’s correct. It’s like a cup spacer thing of some sort, not sure what to call it.

 

Yep sam as mine.

 

Just got off the phone w/Ryan @ ARB. He over-nighting another set of 613 coils but I'm out $40 for getting them installed on the shocks & $100 for alignment. I tried to get them to send over the coil-over set, w/coils on the shocks, & he said nope. Tried to get reimbursed for the spring install & alignment & he said nope. He said the only conclusion he can come up with is the coils are wrong. Whether they're labeled wrong or were made too long or were made too stiff or what, he doesn't know but the coils are wrong. I asked if he thinks I should use 613's or 614's & he said 613's so that's what he's sending. What a f*&$ing fiasco.

 

Weird story man!

Hopefully the new springs is the fix.

 

Got the new coils in and it’s exact same height. I’m now beyond pissed!!! Another $40 for coils to be swapped for nothing. My truck sits dead nuts level front to back. ARB said their Dakar pack should lift the rear the same amount as the front, keeping factory rake. I asked ARB if I should go with the 613 or 614 and they said definitely 613 and that’s what they’d send me. Should’ve gone 614 but I went with THEIR recommendation because it’s THEIR gear. Talking to them now. I’ll be damned if I’m out ANOTHER $40 for swapping coils. This is BS!

 

Manager at ARB is now sending me a set of 614’s and new shocks. He doesn’t know why the 613’s isn’t budging even though I have their Summit bumper and a 10K winch with wire cable. Now I get to do this again tomorrow. Yeah!

 

The juice will be worth the squeeze brutha! I'm glad you didn't just settle on what you had/got...as much as the whole ordeal has been taxing on more then just the wallet and patience, you will get what you're after and sh!t, you will be SO FAST at these tasks now!

 

I’m now able to, by myself, swap UCA’s in 15 minutes each side and coil overs in 20 minutes each side!
I took the coil overs out and reattached the rest (UCA, LCA, ball joint, tie rod, everything) just to check it wasn’t my truck binding. I got about 5 inches of travel up and 5 down so I know it’s not my truck. Idk if the manufacturing of their 613’s got screwed up or what but I’m hoping that’s the deal. The 614’s are the same rate (740lb) but 10mm (3/8th”) shorter. If the 614’s are the same rate as these crazy 613’s, 3/8” isn’t going to solve the problem. Right now I have a total of 1.5” Suspension travel from fully compressed to fully extended, which is no good. If the 614’s act the same as these 613’s then that’ll on give me another .75” fully compressed to fully extended, for a new total of 2.25” of total suspension travel, which is about 1/4th of what it should be. We shall see!

 

It kinda looks like the spring perch is installed upside down (a common issue with bilstein 5100 installs too). In this pic:
Doing that would easily give an extra 2" of lift.

 

Actually on further research, it doesn't look that can be screwed up as the perch 'cups' the shock, not just a flat perch like on bilstein and eibach. Have you measured the springs before they mounted on the shocks? IIRC, I've seen some measurements of them before on this forum.

 

It's definitely not upside down but I appreciate you looking into it! It is like a coil bucket & the coil sits down in it. I confirmed w/Wheeler's & ARB that everything is installed correctly.
I just measured them & they're right @ 17", which is ~432mm, so length appears to be correct.
Thanks.

 

Well, no good news. Installed the 614's & it's the exact same height, 26.5" from hub center to bottom of fender. I have a ~4.75" lift in the front. I'm @ a loss. IDK WTF is going on here. My truck is a 1 in a million that's affected differently by a lift?!? I took it off a dirt road/trail by my house. As soon as I got 10' off the pavement "bam, bam, bam, bam" again, just like before. I was pissed so I flogged the piss out of it, bouncing the front end pretty damn good. Got to a clear area & went in quick 360/s trying to put as much force down on the front corners. Did it in reverse as well. No change. I have no choice but to live w/it. I'm going to install the faux skid plate that came w/the bumper (about 10 lbs.) & my rock rails (~130 lbs.) & hope this lift settles 2", which I seriously doubt. I've never had a lift settle even 1" except probably 20 years ago on a Chevy 1/2 ton I had w/Skyjacker leaf springs. That lift sucked! I will continue to research this to try & figure out WTF the deal is. Anyways, here's a pic of the 614 on the left, 613 on right. They're about 1/4" different in height. The pics are deceiving & make it look like there's a much bigger difference in length but in person, you had to get @ the right angle to see a notable difference.

 

Totally sucks. Crazy actually. The OME coilover ads used to state a 2.75" lift a few years ago but was changed to 2.5" since for most folks it would usually be closer to 2.5" than 2.75" depending on which spring and any added weight up front. I have no clue how you are getting 4.75" from those coilovers. I mentioned earlier that mine were just under 2.75" with the 214's and close to 180lbs added weight up front.

 

It is absolutely crazy! There's no reason why I'm getting almost 5" lift when everyone else gets 2.5-3" lift w/the exact same set-up. I can't figure out what the difference is between mine & everybody else's situation. People w/no extra weight, using 614's, only get 3" lift from this kit but I have a bunch of front-end weight & get 4.75". You really can't install this lift incorrectly except for having the coil 'bucket' installed upside down (mine is installed correctly, checked 100 times) or hardware/bushings installed incorrectly on the top of the shock. The shocks don't come w/directions on how to do the top hardware/bushings so I did what I figured is correct & the shop installing the springs on the shocks agrees. Even if the bushings were incorrect, they wouldn't effect lift amount as the coils. Here's a pic of a Tundra top hat (on the right) looking @ the bottom/inside of it. I placed the shock hardware in this order, from bottom to top:
shock piston
cone spacer
large washer
top hat (w/built in bushing as seen in pic below)
bushing
washer
nut

I'm ALL ears for any solutions as to why this is happening. I'll post pics of the install so maybe someone will see something I'm missing!

 

Pics of it currently w/the 614 coils

Pic of the 613 coil on the first set of shocks after removing the top hat

 

Wow, what a bummer to hear this outcome! I’m sorry to hear @The Patriot 1776

Better jump that thing

 

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the rack & pinion shit the bed last night, probably due to the the F'ed up angles from this damn lift. Truck has 55K miles & had zero issues prior to lift. The hits just keep on rolling!

 

That sucks! Really sorry to hear that. Hope the repair goes smoothly.

 

Wow, what a bummer, I've been reading the whole thread since yesterday and held myself from posting before reading it completely.

I'll star by saying that I've owned (and still own) OME in other vehicles (LC), and really love them. They make some noises in the back because of me not using the right spring mounting rubber, other than that they've been flawless, of course, as I said, it's a different vehicle.

First thing I was going to suggest was to verify that you received the correct P/N (613s). You already did this and even received another set of 613s and then a set of 614s, the mislabeling possibility crossed my mind.

I've read before that difference in height between 612s, 613s and 614s is minimal (3/8" I believe, but don't quote me), what I don't remember is if they change in spring "rate" or stiffness.

Was also going to sugest checking the mounting "cup" (happened to me once, the installer said that mounting it facing down gave less height though) but that horse has already been beaten.

0.75" of max shock extension is definitely not normal and you should not settle for that.

Do you have a 5.7 engine? could it be that even with the ARB bumper and the winch your front end is still too light fot that setup?

I'm planning on going the OME route once I decide to upgrade the stock ones, so I'll be watching how all these evolves.

Keep looking for an answer, I think you are close to find it.

 

Yes, I have the 5.7. There's other guys running 613's w/less weight than me & they didn't get 4.75" of lift. Then after putting the 614's on & getting the same height lift is when I gave up as I'm at my wits end w/this deal. The 614's have already settled some even though I only got to drive it for half a day when the rack & pinion shit the bed. Truck has been parked since Sunday & is now on jack stands w/the R&P & front diff sitting on a table so I can replace the R&P. I appreciate your time you spent delving into my chaos looking for a resolution!

 

Your misfortune has prevented me from buying this kit. That really sucks dude.

 

Same here. I was all set to order this for the new truck. Now thinking Toytec complete Aluma series or Icon stage 2.