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Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by Ike74, Apr 11, 2018.

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Which grade do you use

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  1. Apr 11, 2018 at 7:29 PM
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    This was my feeling on it also I just couldn’t bring any numbers to the table.
     
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    I run alternate between 87+89 during the non-winter months. But i run 93 during the additive-rich shit gas months of winter. I disco'd the bat to reset the mpg readout, then drove for 6 months with 89+87 and average was 11.5mpg (confirmed with hand math calculations). Then I switched to 93 for the winter and saw the mpg's go up each tank until plateauing out at 12.3mpg. The truck does run better without a doubt on the high-test. However, not recommended by my dealer, stressing the truck is designed to run 87. WTF
     
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  3. Apr 12, 2018 at 4:11 AM
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    All the lexus cars and trucks that have the 4.6 or 5.7 same motors require premium fuel only. I wonder if my wifes GX460 which requires premium can use 87?
     
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  4. Apr 12, 2018 at 4:14 AM
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    You can use 87 but the GX is tuned/programed to run best with premium. Just like our Tundras are tuned to run best with 87.
     
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  5. Apr 12, 2018 at 8:31 AM
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    So do you think Shrek is wrong at dap tuning that the tundra 5.7 L pulls 10-13 degrees of timing on 87? As well as 6-8 on 89 and 0-2 on 93?
     
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  6. Apr 12, 2018 at 8:35 AM
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    It honestly does not make sense to me. Toyota puts millions into R&D for their vehicles to determine what should be the optimum operating parameters. If their manual says 87 is required, then 87 should be optimal. The other question we have to approach, though, is what conditions did Toyota test under to determine the parameters? Also, what conditions did DAP test under? Where these vehicles at sea level? At altitude? what was the barometric pressure at time of test? Etc.?
     
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  7. Apr 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM
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    Not wrong . My comment was about factory tune/program to run on 87. Factory tune. Not custom tune. Huge difference....Most of us run on factory tune/program.
    When you start adding long tube headers and BAM's.....whole new ball game with Bully Dog...
     
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  8. Apr 12, 2018 at 8:40 AM
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    Our 5.7L can handle a lot more HP. It's detuned, for lack of better word, to meet CAFE standards most likely and for reliability. To last longer.
     
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  9. Apr 12, 2018 at 8:51 AM
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    there's something so totally wrong about calling FB a research tool. nothing against you. more at society in general.

    luddites unite!
     
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  10. Apr 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM
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    Agreed.Frackbook is the last place I'd go for research.
     
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    Yes, very confusing. I agree with Colorado TJ. Has more to do with compression ratios. If our 5.7s' would require premium like other vehicles then why not? Why 87? Freaking gas hog already..Not losing sleep over it that's for sure.
     
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    Food for thought....I think it would be great to maximize the tune. Now with the stock tune, let's say you run with 91 over the course of a year. You gain 1+ mpg doing so. How much more are you spending with the added cost of premium fuel to gain that 1+ mpg? Is it worth it?
     
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  13. Apr 12, 2018 at 10:00 AM
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    OK. I was under the assumption that he meant the ecm may pull timing even on a stock tune.
     
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    I'm not too sure about anything. Heh heh.. I think the Bully Dog tune is permanent until you revert back to factory tune like DAP tune too? As long as I can buy Clear87 at Maverick I'm OK, otherwise I like Shell midgrade.
     
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    I’m using the bully dog and I really like the way the truck runs with it. If I did it all over I would think about trying the DAP tune but I would want the Remote version so that I can take it out easily.
     
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    Bully Dog at some point. Crazy not to do it..DAP tune would be nice but not easy to get it.:thumbsup:
     
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    Oh Dangit! Being in Commiefornia, gas cost and everything else burns a big hole through my wallet. DAP tune is worth it though!:spending::spending::spending:
     
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    I pretty much run 89. Locally the choices are E85, 87, 89 and 91 but the station I get gas at has 89 with no ethanol. After reading this thread though, I'm wondering if the 89 I'm running is mixed at the pump. I can say that the truck gets 4 to 5 tenths of a gallon better on 89 versus 87 but I'm not sure it's worth the extra .75 a gallon.
     
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    If the station your buying your 89 at also has 87 and 91, then the 89 is most likely mixed at the pump. However,this is not a certain for they can also supply pure 89.
     
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    I'm not sure if we have 89 here in CO but you might want to add 89 since so many are using it....:thumbsup:
     
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    I thought the manual says to use 93 which I believe is on the gas cap as well.

    Problem on west coast is we have mandated ethanol with summer blend. My Toyota 86 knocked and pinged frequently. I contacted Toyota and CAL EPA and got no reply. That gas is garbage. And we only have 91 so 93 is out of the question.
     
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    Good points. Top Tier is an industry org that rates gas but only for fuel detergents. I wish they rated octane. Costco Visa card will get you about 3 or 4% off the pump price so I agree with your statement but I've used Chevron over Costco lately and it's much better than Costco. Vehicle stopped pinging and knocking for the most part.
     
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    I’m not sure why the requirement would be premium fuel? Compression ratio is 10.2:1. Now if it was 11.8:1 like my car, yeah, premium is required.


    Here is a club Lexus thread all about it.

    https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gx...-460-gas-fuel-premium-regular-87-89-91-a.html
     
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    Compession ratios and octane requirements depends on so many factors. For the 3UR-FE , Even with fuel injection and well designed aluminum heads 10:1 CR DOES require higher octane. 40psi fuel pressure can only atomize the fuel to a certain extent, aluminum can only dissipate the heat to a certain extent. Modern engines have knock sensors and then ECU will pull timing once it senses pre ignition. 87 is fine for 99% of the time, and the ECU will protect the engine that last 1%.
    Will it run better on higher octane? Probably. Will it run perfectly fine and reliably on 87? Yes.
    Is the 1-2% increase in Hp worth the $0.50 per gallon extra? The owner has to decide.... if mine was stock, i would use 87 unless i am towing or offroad where every last once of performance is desired
     
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    I think we all need to look at this from a financial perspective. I agree 99% of the time 87 is fine. 93 will definitely give slightly better performance and mileage but the cost difference may not be worth it to most of us. If under severe load or during other high stress situations then 89 or 93 may be worth it. If you can afford it then go ahead and use it as it should not cause any problems. But in the end it will cost a small bit more per mile and that is a personal decision for us to make. I use 87 80% of the time but occasionally will use 89 or 93. Never had an issue with knocking but the 93 does run better by the way it feels and responds.
     
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    87 in the chicagoland area where i live.

    i put in 85 when in utah and colorado while pulling 6k+ trailer
     
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    My manual states no lower than 87 but research octane was 91. Nowhere does it specifically say to use 87 just no lower than.
     
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    I run 87. It's my low grade here. Usually see 87, 89 and 91-93 for premium. Only two stores sell non-ethanol and it's the premium. I just make sure nothing more than 10% ethanol.
     
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Siless 80 mil (2mm) 36 sqft (3.4 sqm) Car Sound Deadening mat - Butyl Automotive Sound Deadener - Noise Insulation and Vibration Dampening Material (36 sqft)
$60.89
Mishimoto MMTS-TUN-07 Racing Thermostat Compatible With Toyota Tundra 2007+
$57.36
EVIL ENERGY 6AN Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator EFI Bypass Return 30-70psi Black&Red
$69.98
Aeromotive 15633 Fuel Pressure Gauge - 0 to 100 psi
$50.21
Deatschwerks - High-Current Universal Kit to Hardwire Fuel Pump to Battery (FPHWK-10-HD)
$68.28
Lang Tools 279-5420 279 Brake Caliper Press
$50.12
GEARWRENCH 3 Pc. 3/8" Drive 6 Pt. Magnetic Swivel Spark Plug Set - 41740D
$52.01
Krex Graphite Engine Lubricant 4 Fl. Oz. - 6 Bottles
$56.00
Spectre Performance 22361 Exhaust Tip, 1 Pack
$58.51
Steelman ChassisEAR Automotive Diagnostics Multichannel Electronic Stethoscope Tool, 6 Noise-Finder Microphone Clamps with Leads, Over-Ear Headphones
$100.99
[Patent]CKE Upgraded Nut & Bolt Thread Checker (Inch & Metric) Detachable Wire Loop Design - 36 Male/Female Gauges - 19" & 17 Metric Detachable Nut and Bolt Size Quickly Checker
$32.99
BETOOLL 0-140PSI Fuel Injector Injection Pump Pressure Tester Gauge Kit Car Tools (Master)
$30.99
Toyota Intake Flow Accelerator - PTR03-34079
$31.00
Small Miniature Timer on Off Cycling delay Relay 0.1 sec to 9999 Hours. 3V 12V 18V DC 5A. Power On Off delay, Cycling. Industrial Control and Hobby. and Programmer
$35.00
WIX Racing Filters Air Filter Panel
$33.19
BOOSTane Professional Octane Booster 32oz (1 Pack)
$32.99
ATL CFD-504 CFD System- 2 Wire Standard Wire-Thru Bulkhead
$39.99
Gates K081124HD FleetRunner Micro-V Serpentine Drive Belt
$44.29
aFe Power 28-10303 Pre Filter Filter Wrap
$40.33
Genuine Toyota PTR30-34070 8-Rib Drive Belt , Black
$42.69
Orion Motor Tech Gear Puller Set, 3" 4" 6" 8" 3 Jaw Puller Kit for Pulley Gear Bearing Flywheel Removal, Heavy Duty Pulley Puller with Reversible Jaws 4 pcs Bearing Puller Tool Kit
$39.99
Schumacher BT-100 Battery Load Tester and Voltmeter - 100 Amp
$44.46
Siless Liner 314 mil 18 sqft Sound Deadening mat - Sound Deadener Mat - Car Sound Dampening Material - Sound dampener - Sound deadening Material Sound Insulation - Car Sound deadening
$49.95
DENSO IKH20 Iridium Power Spark Plug Ikh20 X 4Pieces Ignition Plugs Racing Upgrade
$40.99
TOTALFLOW 12104 Mini Race Exhaust Muffler | 304 Stainless Steel | 2.5" Inner Diameter Inlet - 2.5" Outer Diameter Outlet
$46.86
Orion Motor Tech Hose Clamp Pliers, Long Reach Wire Spring Hose Clamp Pliers Remover for Automotive Coolant Radiator Heater and Water Hose with Band Flat or Large Clamps
$39.99
Spectre Performance SPE-9775 4" Flex Boot, Black
$42.99
Siless Liner 157 (4 mm) mil 36 sqft Car Sound Deadening Closed Cell Foam & Heat Insulation mat - PE Foam Sound Deadener Material & Heat Barrier
$49.95
Orion Motor Tech Gear Puller Set, 3" 4" 6" 8" 3 Jaw Puller Kit for Pulley Gear Bearing Flywheel Removal, Heavy Duty Pulley Puller with Reversible Jaws 4 pcs Bearing Puller Tool Kit
$39.99
Veepeak OBDCheck BLE+ Bluetooth 4.0 OBD II Scanner for iOS & Android, Car Diagnostic Code Reader Scan Tool for Universal OBDII/EOBD Vehicles
$41.99
1x Male Connector 6-way for Throttle Body Sensor 90980-11858 w/out wire
$13.99
Spearhead Max Thrust Performance Engine Air Filter For All Mileage Vehicles - Increases Power & Improves Acceleration (MT-895)
$14.61
UGREEN 6ft USB to Serial Adapter, Serial to USB Adapter DB9 Male 9 Pin with PL2303 Chipset, PVC Jacket, RS232 to USB Cable for Windows 11 10 8.1 8 7 XP Vista, Mac OS, Linux
$12.99
Spectre Performance 8771 3-3/2.5" Intake Coupler, Black, 3 x 3" "
$13.49
Panlong OBD2 Scanner Bluetooth OBDII Diagnostic Tool Car Code Reader Turn Off Check Engine Light Support Android Torque App
$13.99
Adhesive Backed Aluminized Fiberglass Heat Sheet Heat Protection Barrier Cover Aluminized Heat Shielding Mat for Hose and Auto Use Heat Insulation Sheet Heat Reflective (Gold, 24 x 48")
$15.99
4" to 3" Inch 45 Degree Coupler Elbow Black Silicone Reducer Coupler Turbo Intake Pipe Black
$17.55
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