Nonsynethic 80w-140 Gear Oil??

Had 5.29 Nitro gears installed with a PowerTrax Grip Pro LSD in the rear. Coming up on the 500mile gear oil swap and am having issues sourcing conventional 80w-140 gear oil (GL-5) and quite frankly don't know much about them to know where to look.

Everything I find online is synthetic or has friction additives. PowerTrax specifically says conventional (nonsynthetic) with no friction modifiers. They also state only 80w-90 but a quick call to them said 80w-140 is fine and their website info is incorrect.

I've got 4 quarts of 80w-140 synthetic for the front, just lacking what I need for the rear. Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

 

Lucas 85/140

 

Thats what I thought as well, but a call to Lucas says it does have friction modifiers in it.

 

Not much out there. I run Valvoline 80w-90 with mine, gear guy said 80w-140 was too thick. Found some really cheap off brand local, but not trying that.

$13 Valvoline Daily Protection 85W-140 Gear Oil 1 Quart

https://www.amazon.com/Valvoline-85W-140-Performance-VV825-Fluid_Ounces/dp/B0002KLBWO

 

pretty much all gear oil has some type of friction modifier in the additive package. Im thinking you don’t need an LSD additive. I have the lucas in mine with the auburn lsd. I had to add the LSD additive separately because the lucas did not come with it

 

I tow frequently. Running 80w-90 would burn the gear up oil way quicker so I need the heavier weight. I just got 7 qts of Lucas 85w-140 and going to run it in both diffs.

 

Yeah thats what I'm finding. Very few, if any, petrol based basic gear oils left. Gonna run Lucas 85w-140 in both and call it a day. Need the higher temp stuff since I tow.

 

Necro thread but I am getting 5.29s this week with a powertrax grip pro and I had trouble finding a non synthetic without friction modifier as well and am going with either the valvoline in the white bottle or richmond, which is the 2 that powertrax said they use. The richmond part number was RICHGL5 which is double the price of the white bottle valvoline which they said was fine too.

 

For what it's worth, I've got 24k miles with the Lucas stuff and 0 issues everything working as intended.

 

Makes sense, i think the white bottle lucas is pretty much rated the same as the valvoline, just didnt look at it close enough to see if it didnt have the friction modifier.

 

No problem with the Valvoline under very hard use for 2+ years. Reading the reviews on here my experience is different, barks tire turning, and aggressively locks up, really like it. Not sure if running the dino 80w-90 with no additives is responsible though.

Lucas has friction modifiers

 

Just to throw another brand in, my powertrax/5.29s have had synthetic Amsoil since I got it a year ago and 25k later it works great too my thought was better oil shouldn't hurt anything, worst case the LSD doesn't engage as well but nothing should get hurt.

 

Same here in rear diff the Lucas 85x140 dino, plus Auburn friction modifier, have Nitro 5.29 and Auburn LSD. If not for the Auburn would be running the Nitro 80x140 blend. I've got a ways to catch up to your miles so good to see it's been all good!

 

I know that Auburn says not to use synthetic gear oil, but I’ve been using the nitro 80w-140 for a couple of years with mine and its running fine. I also added a tiny bit of friction modifier last time I changed the oil. I can feel it lock up like when on ice but not around normal turns on dry pavement.

 

Im running the Grip Pro with Revolution 5.29 gears wanting to upgrade the oil ive been using with
is the O'Reilys brand mastercraft 80w-90 non-synthetic, and i run the piss out of my truck,
so what im getting from this thread is to run 85w-140 non synthetic on both front and rear?
or am i wrong haha

 

Yeah if you tow or depending on your climate. I saw your other tag but I'll keep the response here. 85w-140 Lucas nonsynthetic (dino) gear oil. Just rolled 40k on the truck...0 issues and LSD still working as intended. Tow a bit less than I used to but it's fine.

 

Thannk you! Also that is for front and rear right?

 

Yup I just ran the same in both. You'll have to swap it more frequently because it's not synthetic but that's ok.

 

I know this is an old thread, but I have about 35k on my 5.29 gears with GripPRO in the rear. I know I am running Lucas 85W140 in the rear so I will probably keep using that.
For the front, they said to get 500 miles in 4x4 to break in before the fluid change, but I cant remember if I ever changed the fluid again, so I am going to do that now. It would be easy to run the same fluid, but I am in Colorado, so Im not sure if the 85W140 is too thick for the front?

Im supercharged and tow occasionally, so the 85W140 for the rear seems like a good idea, but the front I just wasnt sure. Im in 4x4 frequently in the winter snow and occasionally offroading, especially in mud. Dont know if that justifies a heavy weight oil though.

Other option is just let the shop use the Valvoline 75W90 synthetic in the front (and transfer case) and only use the heavy duty in the rear.

Thoughts?

 

I run Lucas 85w-140 in the rear with Speedmaster LSD and 5.29's. Valvoline

$38 75w-90 GL-5 Limited Slip, Ultra Long Drain 500k Miles, Manual Transmission, Gear/Differential Lubricant (1 Gallon)

75w-90 synthetic in front.

 

That seems like a safe bet. Do you use the valvoline in the t case as well?

 

I have a Sequoia t-case and run the

$38 75w-90 GL-5 Limited Slip, Ultra Long Drain 500k Miles, Manual Transmission, Gear/Differential Lubricant (1 Gallon)

75w-90. I currently have some Redline 75w-85 in there as I got a few quarts that were on sale to try out.

 

I also use Lucas 85-140 in the rear with the grip pro, no issues.

 

After doing some research on Bobistheoilguy I stayed away from Lucas gear lube. I had my gears cryo treated, rem polished and finished in the rem black coating. Did a standard break-in with traveller 80w-90 with a powertrax in the rear and Eaton elocker in front, dumped at 250 miles and 500 miles. After that I put Redline 75w110 up front and 75w140NS (which is their no friction modifier version) in. We have some decent cold snaps where I live in the winter, there was no comparison between the synthetic and non synthetic from a cold pour standpoint. 5.29s are hard on gear lube, I would be very hesitant to go much more than 30k between fluid changes, especially if you opt for a lighter weight oil.

 

why stay away from Lucas? I’ve heard nothing but good things about it, it’s what I run in the rear of mine.

 

Red line is good stuff.
East Coast Gear recommended and uses Lucas 85-140 Dino for powertrax and Speedmaster lsd. Reading conflicting info on friction modifier for conventional...hmm

https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/ft-2536-ecgs-gear-oil-recommendation.html

 

For the price point it’s nothing special, VOA’s have shown that most of their gear lubes have fairly lackluster additive packages. https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/performancetests/G2457.html Take it for what it’s worth coming from a competitor but it provides some data points to look at.

 

I called powertrax when I put my order in and asked about the conventional oil recommendation and the answer I got was friction/limited slip additive lessens the torque bias of the device, whether conventional or synthetic. They stated that it was easier to find conventional without the additive so that’s what the lsd was tested with but couldn’t think of a reason that synthetic oil without the additives wouldn’t work, just couldn’t confirm it.

 

Speedmaster says the same conventional with no friction modifiers.
https://www.tundras.com/threads/gea...c-helix-torsen-grip-pro-differentials.101244/

Thanks for the info.
Looks like I'll either switch to Mobil Delvac 85w-140 or mobile lube 85w-140.
I could have sworn I looked at the lucas makeup and it didn't say it had modifiers. Now I read it has embedded friction modifiers...