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No effing trans cooler?! I'm out Toyota

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Berettafan, Nov 14, 2020.

  1. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:24 PM
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    Cpl_Punishment

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    Taco does seem like the type of vehicle you buy earlier in life.
     
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  2. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:28 PM
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    around me, Tundras would be mid to late 30s and up. Lot's of retirement and older drive them, quite a few 1st gens still around. I'm 30.
    Most tacos are HS, college or fresh out; or boomers.
    All the tacos have thousands spent for the IG likes
    most tundras relatively stock
     
  3. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM
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    Melikeymy beer No cooler for you!

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    But it has a hella nice transmission fluid cooler.
     
  4. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:40 PM
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    It also has a lot more complaints about the transmission.:D
     
  5. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:46 PM
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    Melikeymy beer No cooler for you!

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    I drove a Tacoma for 16 years prior to buying my Tundra. My 2004 had zero issues in 12 years and my 2016 had one. My Tundra has been in at least 6 times the first 16 months and I need to schedule my second recall, this time for the fuel pump issue. Oh, and the transmission is apparently a ticking time bomb, lol.
     
  6. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:51 PM
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    Google average age of Tacoma buyers

    Tacoma buyers are primarily men (87%), which matches the segment average. Their median age is 55 years (vs. 57 years) and their median household income is $96,471 (vs. $95,245). More Tacoma buyers identify themselves as price buyers (26% vs. 23%) or performance buyers (24% vs. 20%) than the segment average.

    https://www.jdpower.com/cars/expert-reviews/powersteering-2017-toyota-tacoma-review
     
  7. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:54 PM
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    I'm forlorn and inconsolable that, despite the Olympic-grade purse swinging antics in this thread, not one shriek of dismay has arisen over the deletion of an actual truck purse.

    Priorities, gentlemen!
     
  8. Nov 14, 2020 at 5:59 PM
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    The oil change recommended interval is 10k miles, not 5k. And yes, I had to go there.
     
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    There’s one thing we should all keep in mind about our Tundras:
    They’re not fucking Fords!
     
  10. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:04 PM
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    How about giraffes? Did you know they can run up to 35mph?
     
  11. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:05 PM
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    If you're referring to the deletion of the marsupial pouch, mine has one.
    I'm more interested in improving gas mileage on my stock pro with 37" tires that I got for only 90K.
     
  12. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:07 PM
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    I saw an interweb video where one giraffe knocked out another with his head.
     
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  13. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:07 PM
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    I wouldn't say any auto manufacturer wouldn't cut costs to make money depending on warranty period failure rates. So since 2019, Toyota eliminated the "need" for a transmission cooler in Tundra's. T4R's, Tacoma's and some Lexus SUV's. I'm using 2018 data for this example due to 2019-2020 have been pretty crappy sales for Toyota/auto industry as a whole except some markets.

    In 2018, Toyota sold 505,909 Tundra/T4R/Tacoma vehicles. Now the kits being sold are 850.00 from one of our members, so I will say Toyota is saving 250.00 per vehicle to not have the old system (and incorporates cost of new heat exchanger). So with some math, that would save 126,477,250.00 per year. If the transmissions are more efficient (due to lower viscosity) and outlast the platinum warranty of 120K miles. I would do it in the same position.

    All auto manufactures do this very thing. I will give you examples:

    - CP4.2 injection pumps on 2011-2016 Duramax diesels, 2019 newer Ram Cummins, 2011- new Ford powerstrokes. These injection pumps are not really designed for US diesel fuels, and the smallest amount of water will cause catastrophic failure. To repair these injection pump failures, you need to replace the complete fuel system and clean the fuel tank. Repair bill is 9-10K dollars and most have not been covered under warranty. There has been several class action lawsuits. GM went to a Denso HP4 injection pump and Denso fuel system and dumped the Bosch system. All this BS over saving 105.00 per unit going to a CP4 from a CP3 injection pump.

    Now owners have to decide if they want to risk it (under 1% failure rate, but if you do that 10K is gonna hurt, plus the week long expenses to fix truck), do a CP3 conversion back to the old system which is 1750.00 and 8 hours of labor or probably 10 hours if doing it yourself, or selling and upgrading to a new GM Duramax truck 2017 or newer.
     
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  14. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:08 PM
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    Oh yes. And You know why a dog licks his balls...... because he can.:fistbump:
     
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  15. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:13 PM
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    Buy a new Tundra. You don't tow heavy enough on a daily basis to even worry about it. Since you are most likely using the truck for "business" use for tax purposes, you're most likely trading up every 3 years anyway. I have yet to hear of any 2019 or newer Tundra's having transmission failures. Some are getting up in mileage as well.

    Would I buy a new Tundra? No. I also wouldn't buy any year Tundra due to towing performance at the loads I have. Unless the 21' boat you tow is 8000 lbs....I wouldn't worry about it.
     
  16. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:14 PM
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    But purses are nice for storage... right?
     
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    Ah....depends on what year you are talking about; And I wasn't referring to Toyota. And yes, I had to go there.
     
  18. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:18 PM
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    In the spirit of today’s day and age. Im 36, but i identify as a 60 year old. So my old soul would agree with you
     
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    Whenever I feel down and out, I come over here to read about lack of transmission coolers and realize life isn’t so bad.:rofl:

    1st Gen Tundras have higher payload ratings (3 bags of groceries vs. 2) and come with a Tow Package Cooler. Last year they could be had for $6-12k depending on region/condition. Now they’ve shot up in price, if you can find one at all.

    Trans Temps run 120-170° depending on ambient and loads.
     
  20. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:29 PM
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    When I drove F150s I added a cooler and shift kit even though in those days Ford transmissions were bullet proof. Never had a problem.
     
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    Somebody in another thread reported that their console safe was getting hot enough to catch fire. I'm developing a cooler for that and then I'll have enough cashish to buy a Raptor.

    So long, losers!
     
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  23. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:52 PM
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    I think people are making light of the 20+ threads on this topic already. I have closed a few, combined a few, deleted a few...etc. I can understand the people that already purchased a 19-21 truck not totally knowing about this issue, but for someone that has a 2017 to react like this...a bit much.

    Greg got in a dick measuring contest with others on this forum, got pissed off and asked for his account to be deleted. Then the next day made a duplicate account thinking we wouldn't know. We confronted him about it, and even offered him to just use his new account so he wouldn't be embarrassed (which we normally never do). He accepted under the conditions he stayed out of the transmission cooler threads. Nope...just like FLO with Progressive he went right back into the trans cooler threads and repeated the same BS. We talked with Greg and he pretty much told Staff to ban him and he would just make duplicate accounts and do whatever he wanted. Challenge accepted and I hit the eject button on his ass and made sure he wouldn't be back. This is what really happened with Greg. Nobody ran him off but himself.

    We all have to consider the source and crunch data when making decisions. Should someone follow what ColoradoTJ says on this topic? No. I do not possess the knowledge to honestly tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do. My comments are opinions only. There's always a but....
    However the quoted comment is from a Toyota engineer.

    This is what I would do, in this order:

    - Do I tow over 7000 lbs often in high ambient temps? Has my warning light ever came on? No. Enjoy your Tundra for many years. Yes....well move on to next step.

    - Purchase a OBD2 monitor system. Are your temps staying within spec? Yes. Drive truck for many years. No...move on to next step.

    - Look into installing a front mounted trans cooler or increase transmission service intervals.
     
  24. Nov 14, 2020 at 6:55 PM
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    Nope. Toyota engineer.
     
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    Well said.
    OP is going to have quite a bit of reading to catch up on whenever he shows back up.
    :rofl:
     
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    But presumably not one of the ones primarily responsible for the Tundra, given his comments.
     
  27. Nov 14, 2020 at 7:05 PM
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    Nope, you would be mistaken. They own a Tundra as well.
     
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