New Toy Hauler! Need Some Recommendations

You can still get bounce, even if the bars are "correct". It can be dependent upon the road surface, if the segments of the pavement are a certain distance apart you can get what I call porpoising, which some people call a bounce.

 

I have these, though in a 275/70/18, and we just got dumped on for the last couple days. More snow than the plows could keep up with, and these have been a solid tire for the conditions. I was pushing snow with my bumper and skids for a bit over a mile down my road where no one had driven, and they just dug through it. Heavy wet snow too. I've had BFG KO2s in the past, and they did well in snow, but fell short in wet/rainy conditions. They also threw rocks way worse than the Falkens. Any of the all terrain tires are going to throw rocks, though.

 

Does yours bounce? I have a Equlizer hitch with about 650lbs tongue weight and I have no bounce at all no matter the road surface. You have to remember his trailer is quite a not bigger than yours and with it being a toy hauler his tongue weigh will definitely be higher than yours.

 

Yes, there is one section of Interstate going into Dallas that it will porpoise (bounce) either with a trailer or without one (goes through South Dallas near the Fairgrounds).
I ran into a similar roadway in the Austin area with our smaller 1790 (18 foot long 400 pound tongue weight/400-600 pound bars) when picking it up and one around Houston when we picked up the 2401RG (650 TW dry/600-800lb bars).
His tongue weight is probably OVER what it should be, and that's most likely why it's "bouncing" no matter what the bars are. When you exceed your payload, you get weird handling behaviors. That's why I asked him if he had checked the tongue weight.

As for trailer "specs"
2401RG
Hitch Weight 640 lbs
Dry/Unloaded Weight 5060 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight 7000 lbs
Exterior Length 27' 11"

Forest River 26MBRR
Hitch Weight: 785 lb.
GVWR: 7785 lb.
UVW. 5393 lb.
CCC. 2392 lb.
Exterior Length: 33' 6

So the only big difference is the length and the starting tongue weight. That's why I said I have to be VERY careful of our loading. It's pushing the limits (which are low) of the Tundra as it is.

 

Just drove through to Iowa again and it's the same bounce without the trailer being towed. The bars are more than adequate.

 

It's either the Falkens or the Cooper Discoverer at this point I'll let you know what direction I take. What part of the country are you in? We just got a ton of snow in Colorado and the stock tires suck big time!

 

I'm a northern neighbor up in Wyoming.

 

Then you really dont have a problem.

 

I wanted to buy a 22RR but my 2018 Limited would not support it.

 

Very similar to the 2401RG that I currently tow. It is VERY close to being the max of what I would use, and I have to be VERY careful loading the trailer not to exceed the TW that impacts the truck payload.
It can be done, but you do have to be cognizant that you are using your truck to it's maximum potential.
That's one of the reasons I've been pricing the Chevrolet 2500's. Like the look of the Ford Super Duty's better, but not a fan of the death wobble.

 

We decided to wait and not get a trailer for now. Prices are still outrageous. I was very close in purchasing an F250 gasser, we were not going to tow all the time so the extra expense of diesel didn't make sense. Don't like the looks of the Chevys either, the GMCs look better to me. Here is my post about it. https://www.tundras.com/threads/towing-a-small-toy-hauler-tt.80157/

 

Why even consider a domestic when the new Tundra will be out very soon. Payload numbers will more than likely be going up substantially.

 

I decided to not change trucks for now. I will be keeping my 18 Tundra for a few more years so no new truck for me. By substantially you mean around 2000 lbs?

 

Nobody knows but the way the market is heading expect it to be class leading for a half ton.

 

Unless they come out with the old style "heavy half" (which was usually a 3/4 ton truck wearing 1/2 ton clothing) it won't be near what a 3/4 ton is and will most likely be in line with what current domestic 1/2 tons are. It's not worth upgrading to a new unproven truck just to gain that. If you are looking at more payload, look at 3/4 - 1 ton truck.
I am contemplating getting rid of the Tundra for this very reason and no way will I buy the first year model of any manufacturer.
I like the Ford 7.3l gas engine, but hate the death wobble in the truck. No way could you GIVE me a Dodge that I would keep, so that leaves me with Chevy or GMC.

 

Nobody knows what the new Tundra will bring but I can guarantee you that the first year Tundra will have less issues than any of the domestic trucks.

 

A good read.

https://rvlifemag.com/towing-half-ton-three-quarter-ton/

 

After reading this, it’s making me wonder. If I was still in an accident, over my GVWR, but within my ratings for axle, tires, etc, would I still be liable even if it technically wasn’t my fault? I think I would be...I heard him mention nothing about the frame. Only talked about the axles. He seems to be saying that if you had a 1500 with one ton axles (Dana 80 or the like) you could carry the weight that those axles are rated for and have no issues?

 

The weak link are your axles, suspension and tires. Frames failures are rare unless your doing something very stupid. As for being over payload unless your being extremely careless being over gvwr by a couple hundred pounds isn't going to put you in court.

I didn't see where he mentioned a 1/2 ton with one ton axles would be the equivalent. He actually states "For some jobs you need a three-quarter ton pickup or even a one-ton. The large fifth wheels with high pin weights require a large rear axle capacity to carry them."

 

Yes that’s true. I guess he didn’t state that, I just read what he wrote and that’s what I thought he was getting at. I should have clarified. You have a point, Both about the frame failures, and being a couple hundred over GVWR.

 

I think what he is trying to demonstrate is that in some situations a 1/2 ton may be a better choice than a 3/4 ton if your at or just above your payload.