New Taco Vs New Tundra

Agreed.. at this rate, my Tundra will be the last brand new car I ever buy. Hell, even used car prices have inflated like crazy...

 

Yet somehow there is never a shortage of ppl who pay that 15k MA to get that shiny TRD Pro

 

yeah, its taken us a several vehicle changes over the decades to get enough trade in clout on our trucks to keep our payments under $600 usd (my max threshold). i prefer closer to $500 but it worked out in the end.

our 2018 we did $554 for 72 but paid down more per payment to get it back to 60 months.

good thing this time around, was that we got the same payment on the 2023 ($554 @ 60) but a better trade in deal and less owed helped.

granted i know vehicles are not an investment but building up trade in value (at least in toyota's you can) we worked up to a tundra to be able to keep one under our budget (well actually the wifes budget, she pays her own from her pay).

but its been a long journey to get to this point. 2006 tacoma, 2012 tacoma, 2016 tacoma, 2018 tundra, and now 2023. slowly getting better trade in deals over the last 20 years help get us to this point.

 

Not in any of the advertisements. I wouldn't trust that 1700+ number being accurate. Wait until we see actual door stickers.

 

The sticker on my 2019 Tacoma sr5 dclb was more than my 2022 platinum 2wd crewcab 5.5 tundra by 50lb but I prefer the feel of the Tundra’s ride and control over the Tacoma.

 

incorrect, the hybrid is constantly assisting and regenerating while towing…. I see it happen every weekend

 

So you're off the throttle doing 70 mph on the freeway enough for it to regen a meaningful amount? Cause I almost never lift off the throttle on the freeway while towing, even on 5-6% grades, never mind need actual braking to keep my speed from increasing.

 

My toy hauler is between 6 and 7,000 lbs depending on what I have loaded. I can see the hybrid kick in whenever I hit a hill. I guess it regens going down hill and charges from the alternator other times? I just know it pulls so well.
I had a 4.6 Tundra before and it was so sad trying to pull up a hill. Great tuck, but not for towing.

 

How long does it kick in for? In the TFL video on the ike it kicked in until ~51mph and then shut off for the next 8 minutes and never contributed any power.

Any TT 3.5L V6 is going to pull 10x better than a 4.6L. Even my old, outdated 2014 3.5 Ecoboost with a measly 420 ft-lbs absolutely smokes my GX460.

 

No alternator on the hybrid, the electric motor charges the hybrid battery battery pack (and the 12 volt battery) when the vehicle is coasting or braking.

 

It's quite obvious the people who designed the new Tundra have all been fired or told to disappear when it came to input on the 2024 Tacoma. The new Tacoma does not have the absolute embarrassment of a front grill. The interior completely blows away the Tundra's. And what makes it a complete slap in the face to the Tundra is it will have the exact same Hybrid system which will give it 21 century MPG and very nice power for a midsize. Too bad they just couldn't make a full-size of the exact same truck.

 

So all other design cues being similar to the Tundra, but a different grille (and literally just the grille), and you conclude that the designers were fired or silenced? Very unlikely. The interior is very similar to the Tundra's, just collapsed horizontally for the narrower truck (central vents under the screen instead of next to the screen, etc.). And finally, the exact same hybrid system? Dude, count the cylinders. Count the turbos. Compare the displacement. Compare the power figures from the electric motor, and from the overall gas/electric output. Count the transmission ratios. Compare the battery size. There's no standing to claim it's exactly the same. There's likely no significant shared components. Except possibly the spark plugs and oil cap.

That being said, this is two years out from the new Tundra. Of course there will be "better" things. They've had two more years to take customer feedback into account. If the roles were reversed and the Taco came out for 2022 and the Tundra was coming out for 2024, you'd likely be able to say the same thing. The newer design is better. It has more recent feedback, tech, styling, etc.

 

after moving from a taco to a tundra and now looking at the 24 taco limited (since this trim matches the platinum trim the closet (which we have in our tundra) ...

1. back seat is still abysmally small (this will be the #1 gripe on the taco if you had a tundra)
2. the limited with all that chrome on the front makes the 1794 look tame
3. the limited has all the same bells as the platinum trim if you ignore 1 & 2 (heated steering wheel was a big addition to the taco limited)
4. the 12 way seats in the tundra still is better than the 10 way in the taco (the leg extension is a god send on long trips, once you had it, its hard to go back to 8 or 10 way seats)
5. they finally resolved the seat literally sitting on the floor, they finally raised it to make a difference on the taco
6. limited has hud standard
7. tss 3.0 will be more annoying than the 2.5 in the current tundra (but i suspect the tundra a few MY down the road will get tss 3.0)
8. would really miss the roll down window in the tundra
9. the pano/moon roof in the taco makes the head room really fukking wonky if you are a tall person

just my thoughts on our plat to limited observations if the wife decides to go back to a taco as we downsize after the dogs pass (no more pets after these i think)

 

I haven’t really watched many videos on the new Tacoma, but do most models have the digital display? That’s one thing I wish the limited tundra had standard.

 

i know the limited does, and i think the trd pro and trail hunter also do.

not sure on the trd sport

sr > sr5 > trd sport > limited > trd pro > trail hunter

 

I’m pretty sure the sport manual TFL showed off had the digital display, but I didn’t really pay too close attention to that video.

Edit: sport manual has the full digital display in their video. SR and SR5 probably don’t but everything above probably does. That’s my guess.

 

LOL.

As a guy who pulls freight for a living, at tonnages that make class 8 trucks look like toys, I can assure you that more horsepower is ALWAYS better. Period.

I’m dealing with a 17,589 ton unit coal train right now (stopped waiting for signals to move), I have 3 locomotives totaling 13,100 HP. This train would be way way better with another 4300-4400HP 6 axle locomotive. Like night and day better.

 

My cat love the space in the Tundra CrewMax

 

I think your ">" should be "<" and you forgot TRD OR, which is likely between sport and Limited

 

Coasting and braking it regens, engine braking downhill charges the battery up fast. Ive had it running pure electric at 80+mph going down inclines with slight acceleration via the pedal.

It really is an amazing driving experience in the hybrid. My bro is law has a non hybrid and driving them side by side he is always bummed with his choice

 

Things I wish our trucks had

1. Tow hooks
2. Digital gauge cluster seems like all Tacos get it
3. the rotary temp knobs
4. in bed storage compartments
5. dual tailgate buttons I totally thought that was a gimmick but I use it all the time

I'm glad this wasn't out as I would have been inclined to pivot to a Taco but between towing and wanting to carry a sled or atv on my Diamondback cover I would be pushing that little 2.4 to the limit.

 

Has digital gauge cluster across the lineup been confirmed? Usually promo material (like the interior shots we've seen) showcases the higher level trims and options, and so far I think we've only seen the interior for the Trail Hunter and TRD Pro, both of which are hybrids. All Tundras with the hybrid option have a digital cluster, it could follow the same for the Tacoma. I'd be highly surprised if the SR and SR5 had a digital cluster. I'd even be surprised if the TRD OR and Sport had them when paired with the non-hybrid 2.4

 

The Sport non hybrid with the manual transmission that's had several videos has the digital cluster.

 

Coming from 7 years of owning a current gen Tacoma to recently getting 23 Tundra and when i saw the upcoming 24 Tacoma i felt 0 buyers remorse.

 

While I've seen great payload numbers for the new Taco, I still wouldn't default to it for towing or hauling. Looks like it'll do well with the trendy "overlanding" (we used to call it car camping) crowd.

 

Real world differences would be found on long steep grades. As you suggest at some point there would be a diminishing return if your tow vehicle is only rated to tow 7,000lbs. Once the tow vehicle can pull any grade you point it at with the trailer on the hitch, with enough power to maintain the posted speed limit plus say 5MPH over to allow you to safely pass slower moving traffic if needed then anything beyond that is probably not a “need” but more of a “want”.

There’s also going to be a big difference in performance at high altitudes. If one of those engines is turbocharged and the other one is naturally aspirated the turbocharged engine is going to mop the floor with the naturally aspirated engine towing in the mountains. So you could see a 310HP turbocharged engine stomp on a 360HP naturally aspirated engine on the pull up to the Eisenhower Tunnel at 11,000ft above sea level, because the turbo engine is probably still pretty close to full rated power, and the naturally aspirated engine will be capable of only 241HP up there.

 

What if you made the Tundra out of titanium alloy? Now that Tundra has a curb weight closer to 3000lbs. Does that mean it’s not a 1/2 anymore? The difference in payload between current 1/2 tons and these midsize trucks is miniscule.

The market demand right now is to offer 1/2 ton and under trucks that are really just big all weather family sedans with a bed. Any more payload and ride becomes too truck like, and that is where 3/4 ton and 1 tons come into play… for people that actually need a truck to use hard.

So unless some very cool new suspension technology comes out that is affordable to put into mass production there will not be a big difference in payload between a midsize truck and a 1/2 ton truck. Manufacturers are doing everything they can to make both options as versatile as possible while still riding well so families will buy them. As consumers we have a great choice now of just how big of a roughly 1/2 ton or maybe better termed non-heavy duty truck to buy. Need more space inside and a wider bed for bulky stuff like furniture, appliances, or other crap in that nominal 1300-1600lb payload all these trucks are playing in? Buy a full size, and it will tow a bit more. Need similar payload but need it to fit in narrower spaces, fit a smaller garage, get better mileage and still hauls weight in the bed? A midsize could be a great solution, and now it doesn’t have to be a penalty box to spend time in.

I still maintain Toyota could do themselves and the North American market a favor and bring an HD Tundra. All the bitching about payload on the 1/2 ton Tundra would end practically overnight as Toyota faithful with bigger jobs could just go buy the 1 ton Tundra they really want, and stop jumping through their own asses trying to make a 1/2 ton do 3/4 ton and 1 ton shit.

 

Never seen a Tundra with 2200 lbs of payload. Don’t expect to ever see a Tacoma with 1600 lbs of payload either. Don’t GARA what the advertised specs are from Toyota. The door jam stickers are what matters.

 

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