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Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by SMHdavid, Apr 6, 2015.

  1. Apr 6, 2015 at 9:59 AM
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    SMHdavid

    SMHdavid [OP] New Member

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    Hello guys,
    I would love to buy a Tundra but the fuel efficiency is holding me back, that being said...
    What is your opinion for the next Tundra engine?
    The current 4.6 has 310 hp 15/19 mpg
    The current 5.7 has 381 hp 13/18 mpg

    F150 2.7 ecoboost has 325 hp 19/26 mpg
    F150 3.5 ecoboost has 365 hp 17/24 mpg
    F150 5.0 has 385 hp 15/22 mpg

    I never really tow but the 3.5 ecoboost can tow more than the 5.7 tundra plus the mpg is alot better.
    Does anyone think or know if Toyota is gonna address that?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Apr 6, 2015 at 10:09 AM
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    I can tell you that the 3.5 ecoboost gets no better millage than my 5.7. And will probably be worse when you put a trailer behind it.
     
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  3. Apr 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM
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    Sean266

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    Welcome! Have you had a chance to review reliability of the Ford vs Toyota? Is ~2-3mpg really go breaking point? The reason why I ask is let's say you have the 5.7 and are cruising at a speed of 65mph. The effort the smaller engines have to make to maintain that speed/rpm will put those mpg numbers to shame...if that makes sense.
     
  4. Apr 6, 2015 at 12:35 PM
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    Welcome to the forum.

    When the $hit starts to break on a Ford, any saving from mpg will be wiped out in a heart beat and some more. My last Ford vehicle ran very well when it ran. The other half the time, it sat because something broke. Sold it with a little over 70k on it for $500. I was glad to get rid of it. It does not give me warm and cozy feelings.

    By the way, when I compare the actual mpg (not the manufacturers' claim), mine seems to be better than most other brands'.
     
  5. Apr 6, 2015 at 12:42 PM
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    FunkinTundra

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    Those ecotoots sound like a car.... I like my truck to sound like a truck... I know 2 different folks with new fords, one with the ecotoot and one with the 5.0 and honestly they are hovering right around 14-15mpg.
     
  6. Apr 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM
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    Mike

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  7. Apr 6, 2015 at 1:36 PM
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    We owned a 2013 5.0 ford that got 14.5 ave mileage and we had it in the shop 5 different times for computer problems and had to have the battery replaced in the first year. So I guess if you want to drive your truck sometimes and watch it set at the dealer sometimes then a ford is the one for you. We had a 2008 tundra that we traded because we thought 1 mile per gallon was an upgrade. But I have kicked myself in the butt so many times for trading the 08 in that my butt feels like I'm wearing my shoe on my backside. The good news is we purchased a 2015 tundra double cab with the 5.7 and are the happiest two hillbillys in ohio. Don't let the mileage sway you from the best towing, off-road ,luxury truck in the business.
     
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  8. Apr 6, 2015 at 1:49 PM
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    A full size truck that puts out over 300hp, should not be on anyone's list if gas mileage is a deal breaker. Ford, Chevy or Toyota. In real world they will all get close to the same mpg's ,which in a word is few. Get a Prius. :confused:
     
  9. Apr 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM
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    To add to this, who buys a big truck for gas mileage? It fathoms me how some will purchase a big truck and expect 20mpg
     
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  10. Apr 6, 2015 at 5:58 PM
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    BPRescue

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    Curious why you are looking for a full sized truck if you don't tow? If you jump right to gas mileage, it seems like the cart pushing the horse. You need to first identify what you are looking to do with the vehicle, then if a full size appears best, then look at other variables including the mileage. Certainly diesels will get better MPG, but remember that a diesel is also more expensive not just for the motor, but also fuel. BTW, the engine alone does not dictate towing and I promise you the 5.7 will easily pull any trailer within spec, where others are vastly under powered. Also, if you are going to decide which vehicle alone by mileage, you are going to be very disappointed. There are so many features and reasons people choose their vehicle and when you get into a full size truck, other components are more important, otherwise nobody would buy a Tundra. For me living is more important and if I slap $40K+ on a vehicle, a difference in 5-10 MPG is irrelevant. Now if and when Toyota puts out a diesel, then maybe I would look at it. Also recognize this 5.7 and the 4.6 for that matter has proven itself as an excellent engine. BTW, I know Toyota was the first to acknowlege the new government standards for towing which reduces EVERY manufactures spec. Does Ford adhere to the standard yet? If not, their numbers are inflated. But if you don't tow, what does it matter?

    Remember that cost of ownership is much more than gas mileage. Do a poll here and I think you will find very few people with mechanical issues. A quick count for me is 6 Toyotas and not one has incurred cost above typical maintenance.

    Put it this way; If I didn't tow, I probably would not own a Tundra... Even though the Pro is pretty darn cool...
     
  11. Apr 6, 2015 at 7:33 PM
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    SMHdavid

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    I guess that is true. I would never buy a first model year for the reliability issue.
     
  12. Apr 6, 2015 at 7:35 PM
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    SMHdavid

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    I am being serious...
     
  13. Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 PM
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    First I must say I am jealous of you having a Pro congrautlations on that. I don't know I was just thinking about upgrading from a midsize to a full size.
     
  14. Apr 6, 2015 at 8:49 PM
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    First off your comparing apples to oranges in ways..

    Fords ECOBOOST is not all that great.. Ford has had SO many problems with them... REAL EPA numbers are not even close to what it says on the sticker... I have had friends who have had the ecoboost and it has been in the shop more than it worth for ECM problems to main harness going out... I will give ford credit tho they have came along ways in the short time... They are like GM in so many ways ( put something out there if it fails we will up date it so the owner can pay us for the revision (update)). Dont you love AMERICAN OWNED company's now.

    The ecoboost is not what is cracked up to be personally. There has been many go into eco part and NEVER come out. Few techs, i do know said they had to REPLACE the ecm it had failed.. Ok let me get this straight they DIDNT test it good enough did they? he told me pretty much they really havnt changed it that much no matter what the sales man pinches you how good they are.

    Toyota has learned alot. You DONT move fast with everyone else because it does, and will give headaches to the company. Tundra is AMERICAN designed and TESTED HERE and BUILT here in the USA.. Guess what the tundra is USA truck it not made anywhere else but Texas plant. Toyota learned in off road racing ( Ivan (ironman) Steward days) If it works you keep using it improve some but dont go over board like a (unproven ecoboost example here) .. Ivan won so many races do to toyota (ppi) keeping the truck SIMPLE. Funny part here the toyota has less power but WON, reason it didnt break down (rare it would). Ivan trophy's speak for themselves and toyota trucks WINNING. Toyota learned alot from this. TACOMA was born first american toyota designed, build, tested here.

    Toyota is more dedicated to racing than anyone. REASON simple build the best PROVEN tech out there.. from baja 1000 to nascar to F1.. toyota doesnt have to win. TRD the back arm of toyota is learning better ways to improve engines, but more important RELIABLE POWER something you can depend on day after day. All there racing has lead up to engines over million plus miles and still going without REBUILDS.

    Now you understand the reason for toyota not wanting (unproven tech) on there trucks.

    if Hp is a problem UMMM.. the tundra engine (3uz-fe) can pump out over 2500 hp its been proven... it sits in a toyota supra now.

    My advice is this now you know some history in the toyota trucks now.

    Ask your this question do you want a RELIABLE truck you can depend on? i think i have answered your question for you..

    BTW when the space shuttle In California needed a TOW.. why didnt FORD, GM or DODGE SHOW UP,,to tow the shuttle? where they SCARED ON LIVE TV IT WOULD BREAKDOWN????? Only a tundra showed up why because toyota (american) engineers knew it could.. BTW that tundra came off the assembly line nothing was done to it to improve anything.


    This posting is to long and should be highly illegal... now..
     
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  15. Apr 6, 2015 at 9:21 PM
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    I will say that the MPGs of my Tundra are the one thing I hate about it. I get around 11mpg in town for my everyday work and most weekend activities around town. HOWEVER I do know that my Tundra will be reliable as hell for years to come due to the over-engineering that Toyota did to this thing. I mean just look at that rear axle... do you tow? That thing is massive (very comparable to a GM 14bolt 1-ton rear axle). Now that's beef!
    Now I know there may be some smoother driving, smoother engine, and even more powerful 1/2 ton's out there now but the 5.7L in the Tundra is NO slouch and the other manufacturers havent adopted the SAE j2807 testing methods that Toyota has conformed to in order to get the Tundra's tow rating. The other manufacturers can claim whatever they want, they're not measuring off an established testing method and baseline. That alone show's Toyota's confidence in the Tundra and why they overbuilt this thing.
    I can't help but think that if components were designed to survive under such extremes, they're nearly indestructible in normal day to day activities and hauling lighter loads. I think the Tundra will keep coming back for more every day for YEARS with nothing more than proper maintenance and care.
    When I spend tens of thousands of dollars I spend it on a wise choice that I know will give me years of use as a return for my money spent, not an unproven new tech that might last, but might not.

    Edit: And nor did I even mention that the sticker MSRP on the Tundra to a comparatively optioned F150 Ecoboost, Silverado, or RAM is THOUSANDS of dollars more than the Tundra (yes, not including those common manufacturer incentives that are so common from the big-3. Those may tighten the gap but that too shows that Toyota sells fine without such incentives too). You can easily take the thousands saved on MSRP and directly put that toward the extra fuel the Tundra may burn and still come out ahead, and thats before you even get into the great resale values for when you upgrade to a new Tundra 5 or 10 years from now. ;)
     
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  16. Apr 6, 2015 at 9:28 PM
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    I agree with all the above. Only other vehicle I owned that wasn't a toyota was a 93 Ford Explorer. It was decent but transmission went out. Never had a problem with my Toyotas.
     
  17. Apr 6, 2015 at 10:45 PM
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    It's like buying a twin turbo Supra, and doing 35mph every where you go!
    WTF??!!??
     
  18. Apr 7, 2015 at 2:35 AM
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  19. Apr 7, 2015 at 5:58 AM
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    We're are strong Toyota owners. Ive owned a couple fords in my time which both had good and bads. Look at resale value as well. Tundras have a high resale values. Not sure if your looking new or used but tundras with high miles are still going for big bucks.
     
  20. Apr 7, 2015 at 6:34 AM
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    Check the Ford forums and explore around a bit...our trucks aren't perfect, nor are theirs...but I bet ours are more reliable, have a higher resale, and are just more badass :cool:
     
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  22. Apr 10, 2015 at 10:08 PM
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