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Need a Tonneau cover Recommendation (hard tri-fold style)

Discussion in 'Tonneau Covers, Caps and Shells' started by dbashby, Nov 8, 2016.

  1. Nov 8, 2016 at 5:51 AM
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    I am in the market for a new tonneau cover. I have done a lot of research, way more than I did for my Tundra TRD Pro and am generally familiar with most of the pro's and cons of each model. Yet, I still find myself hesitant about pulling the trigger as several things annoy the hell out of me. Unlike most, I accept that most will leak slightly, something I understand and accept as I'm not shipping dry goods, I want it more for security purposes (for securing tailgating supplies while attending events, no grandiose expensive equipment) but obviously I expect it to keep most of the moisture out. My chief gripe is in an un-garaged truck, after 3-5 years (regardless of if the upkeep has been done) every one I have seen seems to weathered so poorly that they are falling apart and leaking like a sieve, particularly at the seams (UV damage, from I can tell). MAP pricing, which amounts to a legal form of price fixing drives me crazy as well but ultimately I feel like for somewhere between $750 -$1200 these hard top tri-folds should last the life of the vehicle (10 years ish). Am I being unreasonable to expect this? Does anybody have any recommendations based on durability? I should say I'm leaning toward the Trifecta Encore, although my friends push me toward the bak line of products. Any help is much appreciated.
     
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    I'd like to know this, also.
     
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    I have the bakflip g2 for about a year now on my crewmax and I am happy with it. I lived in PHX for 6 months in the dry heat, 3 months in Austin and 3 months in Houston when it is humid as hell. I keep my truck outside and so far no issues.
     
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    I'm in market as well. I went to "truck place" here in Wichita and they are SUPER excited about the Lomax from Agricover. I was sold on the Undercover Flex and may still do that. They claim the Lomax has low exposure of rubber pieces to sun and therefore, better durability. The undercover is more dent resistant, but there is a lot of rubber exposed to the elements. Lomax can easily be removed with no tools as well. Anyway, I am still holding off to hear the advice from the experts here.
     
  5. Nov 8, 2016 at 8:14 AM
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    I did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people before going with the BAKFlip MX4. I'm in a different atmosphere than you guys though. I don't have the dry heat ever. My bigger concern was weight (snow build up) and accessibility. I like that the MX4 (and I would assume all of BAK's similar products) have two seals on the side. The clamped on section of the "system" are weather sealed, but when the cover is on those seals are 90% covered by the seals on the sections of the cover itself. The cover was less than $1,000 and I have no complaints so far. I have to wait and see how things hold up over time still though.
     
  6. Nov 8, 2016 at 11:31 AM
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    I'm in Virginia so we get all types of weather but not typically at any one of the extremes that other parts of the country might have, although we have considerable humidity in the summer for not being near water (I'm at the top of the state). All the people I hear recommending any given product have had it under a couple of years. I never hear anything from the 4+ year crowd, which I think might be telling me something, as these things aren't exactly brand new inventions although they have been improving them as time passes on. If you notice the warranties for the most part are 2 years or under on workmanship, 3 years for the Extang Encore. I'm afraid the shorter warranties support my assertion that these aren't likely to last the life of the vehicle especially if its not garaged (which mine is not). I also notice some of the soft roll tonneaus even have lifetime warranty from the same companies that limit the hard top warranties. Even the majority of reviews I read tend to be less than a couple of years old which makes sense as to when someone rights a review but you would think there would be a few guys with older installs that would pipe up and say this type is good/bad base on their experience.

    Most reviews I've read have said initial claims for warranties were like claims against insurance. Slow to respond, in doubt if it would be covered etc. What I did notice that people who wrote reviews on 3rd party sites (negative in this case) seemed to have their concerns addressed. One of the claims of MAP pricing is that warranties are honored because the retailer is "authorized" but like I said on that..... ultimately it is a way to price fix legally. The benefits to the customer are dubious at best. I have seen that MAP can be worked around by direct phone calls, placing items in the cart for the price or chatting/texting online.
     
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    Hey, Crewmax Chris what are your expectations for the lifespan of the bak MX4? If less than the life of the vehicle, at what point would you feel disappointed and that it ceased to be worth it?
     
  8. Nov 9, 2016 at 11:11 AM
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    Well, I expect it to last five years anyway. I would be disappointed whenever I have to shell out another $1,000, in all honesty. But the guys at Yankee Custom Trucks here in Maine said I wouldn't have a problem with the thing lasting five years.
     
  9. Nov 10, 2016 at 8:26 AM
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    Thanks for your response Crewmax Chris. It doesn't look like I'm getting many people that can address my question though too bad I thought this would be an ideal area to ask it.
     
  10. Nov 15, 2016 at 2:59 PM
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    Brian, perhaps I can answer some of your questions. I've had 4 trucks with covers, 3 of them hard try-fold models: BAK F1, BAK VP, BAK Revolver X2 and now the Extang Solid Fold 2.0. The F1 and VP had drain hoses, the others didn't. The F1 and VP were on Silverado trucks without the cargo rails; the X2 and Extang were on trucks with rails. For the X2, they provide a kit to lower the rails so that you still have use of cargo rails with their tonneau cover rail installed. The BAK models are all low profile, where the Extang sits on top. I like the way I have full access to the bed with the Extang with no tonneau rails to deal with and the cargo rails are in their normal height / position.

    Each of these covers leaks a little bit, but you can mitigate some of it by installing a tailgate seal kit and adjusting for the best fit. This limits intrusion of water from around the tailgate which has gaps all of the way around. We get pretty intense rains here and I've only seen water at the tailgate edge after car washes and very intense rains, but it is minimal. As far as maintenance is concerned, I use 303 Aerospace Protectorant once a month after cleaning to keep the EPDM rubber joints pliable and it keeps the cover looking good (F1 uses EPDM as hinges, VP and X2 cover the entire aluminum base with vinyl - think of it as hard aluminum with vinyl top).

    For pricing, even though they are listed at MAP, some of the online stores will give a discount when you call or chat with them. I got my X2 and Extang through SVCUSTOMS.COM who are preferred vendors on the forum and provide great customer service; they will give you a deal if you IM with them. I'm not convinced that any of the covers will last 10 years, except maybe the Diamondback models, but then again, you could buy 2 of the models discussed for the price of one of those. I would certainly look at the models with the longest warranty and great customer reviews. Security is another issue. I like being able to close / open my tailgate without raising the cover and I have Pop N Lock electric tailgate lock installed. Some of the covers can be easily opened with a coat hanger while others are more difficult. I look at is as a deterrent.

    I would decide what is important to you, understand how it installs and works and pull the trigger. No matter what you decide, it most likely will not be the last one you buy. The market for tonneau covers seems to keep growing and refining their products. So, pick one and go for it!
     
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    Thanks Chuckles Toy. I had looked at the diamond back too and I came to the same conclusion as you.
     
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    I will chime in on another brand. After a lot of research and checking out my buddy's backflip I bought a fold-a-cover for my 14cm and carried it over to my 16 until I got my topper. And it was awesome never leaked here in pa with all the weird seasons we get.(unless I hit it directly with a pressure washer on the back seal washing it,still just a little though) Truck sits out side so it gets all of them and still looks and performs like new. Lock with a striker pin set up so impossible to break into unless picked. (Search backflip breaking into on YouTube opened my buddy's in under 20 sec)Has 4 panels so it gave more usable bed space when open than tri fold. Lock independent front and back so you could open the front towards the cab huge help. Sits on the rails so no tubes in the bed.
    just my 2cents
     
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    Extang 2.0 here.... I can fold it twice and theat exposes about 2/3 of the bed. Then the kids (8 & 5) sit up on the folded part if we go to a drive in or the drag strip. I like it! It does leak a little bit. Doesn't bother me.



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    I want to thank everybody who has chimed in, while I haven't made my purchase yet, it isn't far off I will continue to monitor this thread though. CincyCrewMax thanks for posting your pictures. the Solid Fold 2.0 looks great . The low profile style (like the bak) apparently is the more popular style but for me it is neither a negative or positive. Like I said I'm willing to accept some leakage around the edges, not at the seams though.
     
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    Im looking for a cover myself. Im going with the bak cover either hd or f1. With a 5.6 bed i need to have complete access to the bed when i carry gear. As far ad i can tell bak is the only cover that gives me full access. They are pricy at 1k. I was also looking at a rool and lock but it uses up a bit of bed space.
     
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    Confused. How is the Bak the only cover that gives full access? I thought the undercover flex gave equal access as the Bak. Not arguing, I'm just asking for clarification because I'm interested too. The Lomax allows instant removal in 5 seconds for full access with no tools. If the Bak is the only one, then I'm very interested.
     
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    I would be lying if i told you that im 100% sure that the bak was only one that gave full access to bed. i just started to to research them myself. So far the bak is what im looking at. Anything that requires me to remove it to have full access is out for me. Just not what im looking for. The lomax if im not mistaken does not flip up and stay against the back glass to give full access.
     
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    BAK is NOT the only brand that claims "100% full access" and depending upon what your definition of "full access" is, BAK does not either - there is a 4-5" section at the cab end of the bed where the sections fold up on or roll up on that is not usable (and the rail itself takes up to ¼" to ½" on each side). My definition of "full access" is from the cab end of the bed to the tailgate end of the bed, so by my definition, BAK is 94% access. The only way to have full access is to remove it (and need tools to do it on some models). I know its a nit and not picking at anyone, but when someone says, "this is the only ___", I want to point out this distinction and answer the confusion of @DocC22...I've owned a BAK F1, G2, VP and Revolver X2, so I have some experience here.

    While many covers provide a method to fully open their product, they may not be "100% full access" as I define it - I know what their web site says, but if you look closely at their pictures and videos, you will see what I am describing. It is important to look at their installation and operation videos for comparison. BAK covers connect to the cab end of their side rails using a 4-5" section at the end for the bolts to connect through and this is where the panels fold up on or roll up on. The Revolver X2 also uses this method, but instead of panels folding and standing at the cab such as the F1, G2, VP, and MX4 when fully opened, the Revolver X2 leaves a rolled up section - when rolled up, you can see over the cover; when fully folded, the panels block the rear view. You can also drive with the panels folded ⅔ or ¾ depending upon the bed length. There are many similar tonneau covers that open as much as the BAK covers. Some of the newer models allow opening and closing of the tailgate without opening the cover - my F1, G2 and VP did not; The MX4 does. If you have a OEM cargo rail, some covers are compatible and have a model where they include a rail lowering kit. Others are not compatible with cargo rails and require they be removed before installation. Lots of stuff to evaluate and learn about...

    The Lomax and Paragon covers allow complete removal of the panels allowing "full access" very quickly and without tools. Some Extang models that do not use rails allow "full access" by easy removal - fold up and unclasp two latches and the whole cover lifts off; completely full access (Extang Solid Fold 2.0: end to end and side to side full access), but not low profile.

    @DocC22 - Chris, you said that you went to a "truck place" here in Wichita and they are SUPER excited about the Lomax from Agricover." I went to Agricover.com and tried to find out what models of trucks they work with. All of the installation videos showed Chevy or Ram. I clicked on the "Buy" tab and it only listed Chevy/GMC and Dodge for 2017 and Chevy/GMC, Dodge and Ford for 2016 - no Toyota in any of the years supported. So, did the "truck place" indicate there is a model available now or in the future? Kind of puzzling. I am mainly trying to figure out how they install it with OEM cargo rails, but only saw trucks without cargo rails in their installation videos. Is there something I am missing? Thanks
     
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    Chuckles Toy,
    Excellent post. Thanks. The place in Wichita is called Truck Stuff, and you're correct that at this moment they don't have a Tundra option. They said that the Agricover rep said that it would be available late November to December for what that's worth. My understanding is that the cover will be able to accommodate the rail system because I specifically asked that question. The undercover flex ultra is the other one I was considering because of matte black finish, swing out tool bag, and bed lights included.

    You clarified my confusion in that I think both the Lomax and Undercover provide "full access" to the same extent that the Bak covers do. My only point with the Lomax was that it provides the 94% +or- access of the others, but also can get to 100% quickly with no tools. Driving around with cover up and no rear view for a very long time doesn't appeal much to me personally. But each of us have different uses and expectations. That's what makes this a great forum to be able to learn from each other.
     
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    Lomax doesn't fold up vertically against cab. My fault. Sorry. So you do lose a decent amount of access to bed. Still like the look , but functionally that could be a deal breaker.
     
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    Thanks. That makes sense about the Lomax. I really do like the way it works, the low profile, no drain tubes, etc. So if you hear anything more about a model for the Tundra with cargo rails, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I am enjoying my Extang Solid Fold 2.0 currently, but you never know when you'll ned a replacement (hopefully not soon) :thumbsup:
     
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    There's so many of them to choose from now, it's hard to keep track of them...all good man...just trying to help o_O
     
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    You exactly right about defining "full access" as the Extang Encore can be removed for full access no tools but both the Front panel and the back panel flip open in opposing directions allowing what some would call full access too. Just depends on your how you define it.
     
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    Cincycrewmax I have a 2016 Berliner and rail system I can't tell if you do as well I like the 2.0 any further pictures?
     
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    That should be bedliner sorry
     
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    Hey, Guys! Wondering if you can update about how your covers are doing a year later? You have different covers and weather conditions, so seems like I could learn from your experience.

    Concerned most about:

    1. security -- what do I (or a burglar) need to do to access?

    2. leak-resistance -- under what conditions has it leaked? About how much water made it into the bed?

    * I plan to Line-X and install swing-out tool boxes before the trip. And maybe a rail system at some point.

    I'm planning a road trip next spring. 4 adults and 1 kid + luggage in my DC. Staying in hotels. Plan to leave the truck (with luggage stored inside) for several hours at a time to hike. Nothing we take will be worth stealing, but burglars won't know this, so of course I'd like to avoid damage to my truck from a break-in, as well as the hassle of replacing stolen luggage and clothes mid-trip. And if I'm gonna spend this kind of cash for bed storage, I'd like not to worry about water damage to anything stored underneath.

    If anyone else has experience, please chime in! Thanks in advance.
     
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    Sunnier- I had may fold-a-cover on for 3 yrs and it was awesome. I had many trucks all with cover and it was by far the best one I ever have had. Second only to my topper now! I would really look into it. The locking features alone sold me on it. After 4 years in pa weather it still looks brand new. Like I said in my original post once you get it dialed in the only time it would leak (and a very little amount at that) was if I hit the rear seal at the ends with the pressure washer. If I didn’t switch to a topper it would still be on. On a side note nothing against other brands but my buddy bought a backflip the same time I bought mine and it is trash after yrs leaks like sieve and is falling apart. But this also could just be his I know other guys that swear by them.
    Hope this helps
     
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    Yep, it does. Thanks for the info!
     
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    I know I'm late to the thread, but figured I would chime in. BAK Industries and Extang both make great covers, choosing the right one will depends on the state you're located in and what you're looking to use your truck for. The MX4 is by far the most popular hard folding cover on the market at this time. It has the 3-year warranty, the matte black finish, the upgraded tailgate seal and can also support up to 400 lbs. across the top. This cover is going to do best in states that experience extreme heat and sunshine, as the aluminum is much more resistant to fading than their FRP options (the Fibermax and the F1). If you live in a state that experiences hail, you would want to consider one of the FRP models because they are more dent and impact resistant. Same goes for Extang. The benefit to the BAK over Extang is that BAK Industries can fold up against the rear window which gives you almost 100% bed access within seconds. (you can fully remove the cover within a minute and no tools are needed. There's 1 hand tightened bolt on each side that secures it to the rail system). Extang doesn't offer the ability to fold against the rear window, however their covers can be taken off of the bed within seconds.

    I know you mentioned the MAP Pricing and you are correct in that area. In order to be an authorized dealer and offer the product with the full factory warranty, the MAP pricing must be followed. However, if you call in or chat to these companies, you can easily receive a discount.

    Good Luck on Whichever way you decide to go!
     
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    Well said. :thumbsup:
     

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