Mayo or butter on the outside of your grilled cheese?

1st part made me gag

Second sounds good af

 

Mayo is just egg and oil with some lemon juice. They use egg “wash” on all kinds of baked goods to give a golden crust. When using mayo to cook with, it’s the same thing.

But hey - I know a lot of people not willing to step out of their comfort zone when it comes to trying new foods. No skin off my back…they are the ones missing out on new things

 

I know what mayo is, unfortunately most of it out there isn't just egg and oil with some lemon juice. Not saying my problem is with Mayo per sé, but the thought of mayo on certain foods is unappetizing to me, even more so when I know its probably egg like substance and cancer causing canola, vegetable or seed oil.

 

literal poison

 

That's not damascus. That is pattern welded. Not the same thing.

 

I don't eat bread anymore. After many years of research it has become increasingly obvious to me that humans are obligate carnivores and that the consumption of plants, specifically wheat, soy, corn, sugar, and vegetable/seed oils, are the root cause of almost all modern diseases.

There is a reason that heart disease and diabetes used to be incredibly rare and only took off and became common once people stopped eating saturated animal fats and started eating vegetable oils and margarine instead.

That being said, back in my ignorant days when I used to eat grilled cheese sandwiches all the time, real mayo (made with eggs, bacon grease, and vinegar) is the obviously superior coating to achieve the maximum crispiness and flavor.

 

Voted for butter. But I'm intrigued now to try mayo.

 

Only because you don’t know.

 

Something tells me your gag reflex isn’t that sensitive.

 

This.

 

Try again

 

It isn’t, but mayo has has been ruined for me outside of burgers and sandwiches.

 

Don't have to. That is clearly pattern welded steel. You can clearly see the repeating pattern.

Actual damascus steel has no repeating pattern. It isn't made by welding two different steels together. It is a single type of steel that creates its own non repeating swirls and lines, that resemble the surface of water, through the crystallization of the specific alloy of steel during the cooling process after being melted in a crucible. Real damascus steel has properties that make it both harder and more durable than a pattern welded steel, and can also be sharpened to a finer edge.

True damascus steel hasn't been made for a few hundred years as it is a lost art. There are only a tiny handful of modern smiths who have had any success recreating real damascus steel. And that knife is very clearly NOT damascus.

Of course i am being more technical than most people. The word "damascus" has been used to refer to pattern welded steel since the 70s. But that's just marketing wank. It isn't really damascus steel. It just resembles it at a superficial level.

 

If it’s now called Damascus, then it’s Damascus.

Maybe you can discuss this with the maker… @gosolo

The steels used in Damascus steel are often a mix of a high carbon steel and a steel with nickel alloying. The former gives it excellent hardness and the latter gives it toughness that resists brittle fracture and some corrosion resistance.


Damascus steel, also known as Damascened steel and sometimes watered steel, now commonly refers to two types of steel used in custom knife and sword making, pattern-weld (giving the appearance of original damascus steel) and wootz (true damascus, a steel of legendary sharpness and strength whose method of forging has been lost to time). Both types of Damascened steel show complex patterns on the surface, which are the result of internal structural elements in the steel. These patterns are the result of the unique forging methods used for the creation of Damascened steel; skilled swordsmiths can manipulate the patterns to mimic the complex designs found in the surface of the original, ancient damascus steel. Recent research into the structure and composition of true damascus steel by a Dresden scientist has revealed that the almost mythical sharpness and strength of the steel was a result of carbon nanotubes and carbide nanowires present in the structure of the forged metal--the secret of which forging method was lost around 1800 A.D.

 

No thanks. Just because somebody decided to apply the name to a modern steel doesn't mean that's what it is. If I decided to randomly start calling my Tundra a Ferrari, that doesn't mean my Tundra is now a Ferrari. It is still a Toyota. Even if I paint it Ferrari red and put a Ferrari badge on it.

As I said, calling modern pattern welded steels "damascus" is just a marketing ploy to trick ignorant customers into thinking the knife they are buying is more special than it really is.

 

Completely different context to a single individual wanting to call something by the wrong name. It is the actual definition of the term.



It has always been called plate/hammer welded damascus steel, and with the loss of wootz steel there is no longer a need to differentiate.

 

Thanks for the dumb, irrelevant and incorrect analogy.

Sure are lots of ignorant customers and knife makers according to you.
Pretty much every knife maker currently in business.

your toyrrari is not industry standard.

 

But his Damascus is cooler.

 

The rarity of it is neat, but modern steel surpasses it.

 

I’m just hungry for a grilled cheese

 

Dictionaries are hardly a good source of information. All they do is track the usage of words and attempt a common meaning. They are not the absolute authority on what words are real words or what words actually mean. For example, the dictionary definition of "feminism" is "the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes". But we all know that isn't what feminism really is.

the dictionary also says that an example of an orbit is like a planet around the sun. But that isn't true either. Planets don't orbit the sun, they orbit a center of mass separate from the sun, called the barycenter.

These are examples of how the dictionary is not the authority on what words mean, but rather a collection of how words are commonly used, whether right or wrong.

And no, pattern welded steel has not "always" been called damascus steel. That has just become the common word used for it since it was falsely popularized in the 70s.

And yes, there absolutely is a need to differentiate between the two things. Just because the original technique of manufacturing damascus steel was lost, doesn't mean that the steel no longer exists, or can never exist again, or is somehow now the same thing as the cheap, modern, knock-offs. They are still very different things.

Besides, as I already pointed out, there are a handfull of modern smiths who have "cracked the code" so to speak and created actual damascus steel in their furnaces. Carbon nanotubes and all. So there is still a chance of true damascus steel making a come-back.

 

Yeah, but you'll probably just fuck it up by putting a tomato on it

 

I thought Damascus was a pattern on bed sheets you could buy at Macy's

 

It won't make a comeback because it's inferior to modern steel, and for those that want the aesthetics a plate/hammer welded damascus steel will be far more cost effective and just as good. What made damascus great was its comparison to the iron blades of the time. It's nothing special compared to modern steels.

 

That stuff on the sheets did not come from macys.

 

I say go with mayo.

less drivel.

 

It might be good for spreading butter and mayo though…

 

Grilled cheese are good, but don’t go using inferior modern steel to cut those things.

 

That is only true in the case of very expensive and high end modern steels.

True damascus actually was pretty special, and not just compared to iron blades, but compared to steel blades as well. By the way, carbon spring steel has been around for 1000 years at least in Europe. It isn't a modern invention.

True damascus was not only tough, it was hard and corrosion resistant. It also was able to achieve a sharper edge and retain that edge for much longer than other steels. This is because of its unique structure which included carbon nanotubes, which are some of the strongest structures known to man.

And keep in mind, if we really do figure out the formula and the technique to create true damascus steel, and manufacture it with modern equipment in a controlled environment, removing impurities and perfecting the alloy, it would be that much better than historical damascus steel. And I would bet it would then even rival the modern high end steels in certain applications.