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Max Payload issue - help

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by Jesusquintana, May 7, 2018.

  1. Apr 23, 2019 at 7:47 PM
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    I’m sure it can! We should post door stickers with trim, year and port options (which I’m guessing port installed or dealer options are the yellow sticker). I see an overly complex Excel spreadsheet being made from this :)
     
  2. Apr 23, 2019 at 7:57 PM
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    Sweet. Bring your 250.00. 2wd
     
  3. Apr 23, 2019 at 8:01 PM
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    These trucks are under rated your truck wont fall apart if you over load it a little I just hauled a load of flooring in my 19 crewmax 1794 it was 1600 plus me and stuff in the truck so 1900 easy and it was fine I wouldent do it every day but once and a wile it's fine I've owned lots of trucks and you can tell when it's too much weight the way it feels to drive and the suspension squat and my tundra was fine with 1600 in the back no problem I also have a speed boat and a work trailer both over 5k lbs no problems I think the load rating is for all conditions off road included on a flat road it can handle more weight
     
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  4. Apr 23, 2019 at 9:20 PM
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    Bullshit. I own a Tundra and you definitely know it when you have anything that is close to the payload in the bed. Thanks for the confession of recklessness, though. People like you doing stuff like that kills other people. Please don't come to Colorado - that is too close to where I currently live, and I have family in Colorado.


    Glad you know better than the Engineers. The load rating is what it is. Why eff with it? Why push it just because you "think" that it is conservative? How much your suspension is squatting means little when it comes to a load.
     
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  5. Apr 23, 2019 at 9:43 PM
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    But....But....But.... it pulled the Space Shuttle.
     
  6. Apr 23, 2019 at 9:45 PM
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    LMAO. Right?

    It PULLED it. It didn't TOW it. Let's see you put that on a hitch. Tongue weight of say, what.....20K? LOL.
     
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  7. Apr 23, 2019 at 9:52 PM
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    I wanna see that. Put the front gear in bed of a Tundra, or F550.
     
  8. Apr 23, 2019 at 10:09 PM
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    This seems like an open ended bet where new rules are gonna keep getting added lol. The reality is that Tundra pulled 300k lb space shuttle and silverado 2500 pulled a 225k lb boat like 5 years later or so. Maybe the tongue weight it can handle is lower since it's made for off road too so the suspension has to be soft enough but with proper weight distribution I would trust it towing more than any other half ton even though it's a design from 06.
     
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  9. Apr 23, 2019 at 10:17 PM
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    When people tell me to slow down I go faster lol and I go to Colorado a couple times a year so too bad. Maybe your Tundra actually just has the 4.0 lol
     
  10. Apr 23, 2019 at 10:49 PM
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    I personally don't think its a good Idea to overload trucks but around here there are half tons pulling 5th wheels. smh
     
  11. Apr 23, 2019 at 10:54 PM
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    Ok we need a failure test who's ready to break a truck !!!!then we will know for sure what it can do
     
  12. Apr 23, 2019 at 11:10 PM
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    You normally tow in 4wd or 4lo?

    I’ll take the high road and bow out. I personally know you won’t make it out of my back yard, even in 4lo with 8000 lbs. You also haven’t seen my back yard. God forbid if it rained. I’m not going to lie. If a trip is planned and even 10% chance of rain, I move the trailer up front. A few times already my truck has sat in the back yard for a few days while the ground is drying up.

    The payload rating is what it is. Do I think pushing the limits once in a while will hurt the truck? I can’t answer that question. I have seen some damaged suspension and frames though.

    The problem I have when people call the Tundra a 3/4 ton, gives people the wrong info.

    Brakes are no comparison, and the Tundra has some of the best in the industry if you ask me.

    Huge difference in axle strength, that’s for sure.
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    8” total box frame
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    Even wheels are now changing from the old 8x6.5 to 8x170mm

    8x170mm

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    8x6.5

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    Payload ratings

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    And finally, we have to throw in a knife to those dumbass GM owners...max payload!

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  13. Apr 23, 2019 at 11:11 PM
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    Sounds like we have a volunteer?
     
  14. Apr 24, 2019 at 7:57 AM
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  15. Jul 30, 2019 at 4:47 PM
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    FML. He was right.

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    Damn. :thumbsup:

    Enjoy and glad you have a good sense of humor.
     
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  17. Jul 31, 2019 at 12:51 AM
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    @TacoWuzzaTurd Grats on the new Rig!

    @ColoradoTJ Figured you might find this interesting since it kind of has to do what was talked about in this thread. After getting a procedure done at the doctors I was waiting for my wife to pick me up and I saw this White Tundra Double Cab with a commercial sticker stating the GVWR was 8000 pounds. He had a rather big 5th wheel camper hooked up to it too. Don't states check with Manufactures when they hand out those stickers? That would allow that Tundra almost 2k of payload according to the state of Kansas.
     
  18. Jul 31, 2019 at 5:54 AM
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    Every state is different when it comes to registering vehicles. I know someone that registered his old dually dodges for 36k lbs GVWR in MN. He ran pigs all over the place. He paid the extra tax, but doesn’t make it any safer. He really tore up those trucks towing that weight. He had a fleet of dodges and no less than two were out of service at all times.

    The factory GVWR should trump all other ratings, even bought and paid for ones. Obviously this is not the case.
     
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    Thanks was sorry to see the Tundra go. It was a great looking truck and barely even had it a year. It just wasn't getting the towing done in the high elevation and our trailer tongue weight, even with properly setup Equalizer Weight Distribution hitch, was too much for the truck. My wife got tired of the 7 to 8MPG and engine screaming up hill. It was a necessary change for safety, if nothing else. I was reluctant to buy a "FIAT" but the prices were flat out amazing as they still have leftover 2018s on the lots (over - produced?). I picked this one up for under 50k vehicle purchase price (MSRP was 63k) and they gave me 40k for my tundra which is actually 1k more than purchase price I paid on it the year before. Of course I had a few grand in wheels/tires/suspension mods....oh well it's only money, right? I was very pleased when I drove home yesterday on I-10 and averaged 24mpg (lie-o-meter said so) in the new truck. Hopefully it holds up--my few weeks of research really didn't yield any significant negative results on any of the Big 3 Heavy Duty Diesels in recent years.
     
  20. Jul 31, 2019 at 6:51 AM
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    Congrats on the new ride. I almost did the same thing that you did a while back. Ram has it's problems, but they all do - even the mighty Toyota.

    My brother-in-law has an '07 Ram 3500 with a Cummins. Just rolled 267,000 miles. He has had to change the ball joints 3 times I think (which sucks, but his first set outlasted the ball joints on my Tundra). Other than that, he hasn't done anything to the rig (not even fuel injectors - which surprises me). Anyway, hopefully yours will treat you well.
     
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    I would say you take all responsibility, just like how RV dealers say "half ton towing" and get away with it. They didn't specify what make/model 1/2 ton truck. I would also bet that when someone purchases the camper package on the Tundra, you sign a waver of some sort.

    So I will say this (and bare with me here), my Jeep is heavily modified and is over its factory rated capacity. This pig is over 5000 lbs, and most likely closer to 5500 lbs without a spare tire/wheel. That's pretty heavy for a Jeep.

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    I take on all risk for damage/etc and the liability that goes with owning a vehicle like this.

    Hell, when the TJ was actually safe to drive on the street, it tipped the scales at 4750 lbs.

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    Here is the difference between myself and someone that chooses to own a camper/Tundra setup like what you posted:

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    I don't take my vehicle on the road to endanger others due to the modifications I performed to my dedicated off highway vehicle.

    Adding a camper like this to your Tundra is doable (obviously) with a bunch of upgrades. We have members on here with Long Travel builds that are over the factory payload rating for sure. What happens in the long run? Hard to say depending on use. I chose not to put an even bigger target on my back. If you have ever been or attempted to be sued, you can feel pretty helpless and dump a metric buttload of cash...and still lose.
     
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    Can you do it in your Tundra? Sure.

    Should you? Not in my opinion. You are legally over the payload limit. I am not sure what is so hard for some people to understand about that. It is a line in the sand - don't go over it. But people always do.
     
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    Is there really a 300# or more difference between the cm and the dc? My 2018 (with the real 8 foot truck bed) has a 5600# curb weight and a 1600# payload. What is your curb weight, OP?
     
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    We use imperial but tons here in Murica, lol
     
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    This is where Adam is being a salesman, not a lawman. Ask him to sign a document stating the Tundra is in fact overweight and modified from factory specifications, but will meet all required safety guild lines mandated by DOT. He isn't going to do that, trust me.

    The P metric tires on the truck are fully rated for what the Tundra can haul/tow per the manufactures specs. Using a load range E tire is a waste of most peoples money and time. However, with the sizing on the Tundra, it's darn near impossible to find anything in a LT tire that isn't LR E.

    A lot more goes into capacity than airbags/tires/springs. For instance, axles, frame design, braking components, etc. Those are the components I would be more worried about anyway.
     
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    He can disagree with us all he wants. He's still wrong. As @ColoradoTJ points out below - there is a lot more than suspension and tires that goes into the payload ratings. It has been shown on this forum (maybe even in this thread - I can't remember) that the frame difference between a 1/2 ton and a heavy duty is significant. Brakes are usually bigger on HD trucks. Axle assemblies are definitely beefier on HD trucks. I've said it before - the addition of airbags/cradles actually DECREASES the trucks payload capacity (you added weight to your truck, thus your payload is now lower).

    The bottom line is people ignore this stuff all the effing time, and usually things are fine. But, every once in a while, someone overloads the shit out of their vehicle and then an accident happens and the overloaded vehicle can't stop/handle as well as it was designed to and someone dies.

    You can't legally increase the payload safely. There is no resounding YES. The truck might be able to handle it - but if an accident happens and someone dies and a lawyer shows up......I think TJ said something earlier about a metric butt-ton of money???? And the fact that someone died. There is always that.

    Sorry, it pisses me off to no end. People that think they know better than the Engineers. Sure, sometimes I think I know better than Engineers because I am one, and I know that we fuck up. That is why we have factors of safety, why we have listed capacities, why safety is built into the system. It is obvious that the builder is talented and can make some amazing stuff. But, playing with the kind of stuff and not keeping weight limits in mind is just ignorant, IMO.

    As usual when it comes to this stuff, this guy gets it.
     
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    Post 102 Devin. Rear full floating axle, 8" boxed frame, 8 lug wheels...etc
     
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    So I can't say buy a different truck? Umm..

    There is nothing legally that you can do to strap 2,000 lbs to your truck plus your extra gear, plus your weight.

    So, as an Engineer, if someone gave this to me as a "problem" to solve, and said that I had to keep the Tundra CrewMax as the base - I would work on designing a lighter slide in camper. But again, you are talking a CrewMax - and their payload is effing anemic (I know - that is what I have). Then, I would say eff you to my passengers and rip out the rear seats and maybe see if I could design something that incorporated the back half of the truck. Would entail a lot of custom work and another metric butt-ton of money.

    Or, if you were dead set on the Tundra CM body, you could go and source a heavy duty frame that is about the same dimensions and slam a Tundra body on it.

    But modifying the base Tundra to handle more load than it is designed for? That is playing with fire legally. But if you insisted, I would put heavier duty suspension components, 1 ton axle assemblies, bigger brakes, and do a shit ton of analysis on the frame to see what modifications would need to be made to handle the loads. But analysis only goes so far - there would have to be testing, and a lot of it. This would be a metric butt-ton of money X 50.

    Just go buy another truck. :)
     
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    I knew it. Was just on my phone and didn't want to bother searching up on it.
     
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    I'm not mad at you. Just a hot button for me. People can and have died because people have grossly overloaded there vehicles.

    Smaller trucks can have bigger payloads than bigger trucks if they are designed properly. No problem. My Land Cruiser has a bigger payload than my CrewMax. It also has a boxed frame and fully floating rear axle. Also, the Hilux is a pretty kick-ass truck. Many wish that we could have that platform over here.

    As many have said before - there is a lot that goes into calculating payload. Can the Tundra handle more than advertised? Yes - Engineer's build in factors of safety because they know that they make mistakes, and they also know that there are people like yourself that will challenge the payload ratings just because some other guy successfully pulled it off, or because a truck that is smaller in physical size can carry more.

    And let's get one thing clear - the Aussies are crazy.
     

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