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lifts and rough ride?

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Texan25, Sep 13, 2016.

  1. Sep 13, 2016 at 9:50 AM
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    I am wanting to lift or level my truck Tundra Crewmax Sr5 when I purchase it. I've read about all the different options, but wonder how they all effect the quality of the ride(roughness on the highway and off road). I will be mostly on the pavement but do get off a lot during hunting season, nothing too hardcore, but some roads can be rough and pretty bumpy!
    What do all the experts recommend? Looking for the smoothest ride I can get.
    Thanks
     
  2. Sep 13, 2016 at 10:00 AM
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    I'm by no means an expert, but I am currently upgrading from a 2" Toytec front leveling kit to a 3/1 coilover/shackle lift. The major reason I'm doing this is because the ride with the spacers up front feels pretty rough, despite claims that it wouldn't affect the factory ride. My experience with coilovers is so far completely in cars, this will be my first time with a truck - but my experience is that a quality coilover provides excellent handling characteristics and the ability to balance handling/ride.
     
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    Like @Backslider said, spacer lifts does NOT equal stock ride. Definitely upgrade your suspension and get shackles if you want to lift the rear.
    I'm upgrading to Toytec BOSS suspensions as soon as I can.

    There are plenty other companies out there that make quality suspensions at different price points.
     
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    I was about to pull the trigger on the Toytec Boss system, but a friend of mine turned me on to Fat Bob's Garage which is relatively local to me.. They have a coilover set that reviews very well (the owner of the company runs them on his Tundra) for $499 for the fronts.

    I was about $750 out the door with Bilstein 5100 rears and shackles from Toytec. Just another option to consider if you've been blowing way too much money on truck parts lately like I have..
     
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    backslider, did you just raise the front?
     
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    when using the Boss system are the upper control arms necessary?
     
  7. Sep 13, 2016 at 10:47 AM
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    No, but for better alignment it's a good option.
     
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    With the spacers I just leveled the vehicle. With the new kit I ordered the rear will be raised 1" as well.
     
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    So, if you're going to install the Bilstein 5100's (I think that's called a coil over set, but I don't even really know) do you just need the new struts up front and that's it? I'm having someone quote it, but I wanna ensure I'm doing it right while not paying too much at the same time. Not doing anything to the back, just raising the front an inch or two in order to get it level. In other words, if not doing a block/spacer lift upfront and doing the Bilstein 5100's, what else needs done? Thanks.
     
  10. Sep 13, 2016 at 4:58 PM
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    I believe if you're all the way up on the 5100's you should do a differential drop (if 4x4)
     
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    No matter what lift you go with just the dynamics of lifting will make the ride firmer. Different kits may be harsher or smoother than others though. If you plan to use the vehicle off-road much I would stay away from the large top-spacer style of lifts. A shock and coil lift, or coilovers would be a much better choice for both ride and performance as well as not causing damage to the vehicle. Aftermarket UCAs are not required, but as you get over about 2.25" of lift on the front end the available Caster starts to get low which can cause the vehicle to wander a little on the highway. This is where aftermarket UCAs come into play to fix the low caster.
     
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    You have to get the truck before you can lift it, pro comp has done me right, rides good on the street and even better off road, 4 wheel low does work!!!
     
  13. Sep 28, 2016 at 7:58 AM
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    @Backslider, I checked out the Fat Bob's Garage coilovers and it looks great. A complete adjustable coilovers for $499 is a super deal.

    What kind of shock it that? is 700 lbs springs too heavy/firm for our trucks (without plate bumper)? Most important: How is the ride? Thanks.
     
  14. Sep 28, 2016 at 8:08 AM
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    @harrisdoggy ...The Billy's 5100's is just the shock, you will reuse your stock coils and top plates. You can set the Billy's @2.5", 1.75", 0.85", or 0.0" to get the lift you want. The 5100's is about $200-$230, you would have to pay the shop about $200 to install so it will cost you about $400-$450 to get the front level with the rear.

    Another option is to buy the complete set from Fat Bob's Garage that @Backslider mentioned for $499 and do it yourself since this is Plug 'N Play. You can sell your factory coilovers for $100 to make up the different.

    Either way you would need the alignment done, another $100 and you will happily enjoy your truck.
     
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    I'm really liking the ride and feel it is an improvement from stock. New coilovers sucks up larger bumps and provide a smooth ride while still giving eccellent feedback from the road. Handling seems to have improved as well, particularly in higher speed turns.

    The shock is a proprietary brand, but they seem to be very well made and so far with about 1000 miles the ride just keeps getting better. I know a company makes these shocks for FBG but I'm not sure who they are. The guy I talked to co.pared them to Bilsteins.

    ETA: Sorry for all the typos, which I'm leaving. Was responding from my phone.
     
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    @GoHuskers - thanks for the info. Do you think I'll need a differential drop if putting at the middle setting of the Bilstein 5100's? 4x4 shop is telling me no since it will be under 2" of lift, but they're not that much so I was gonna just do it. Thx.
     
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    OME, Bilstein, Toytec Boss, Icon, King are good choices. I have heard to stay away from china made Fat Bobs and Pro-comp. It was mentioned before Fat Bobs did go bankrupt last year, not sure how that affects their current business.

    Spacer lifts are ok if they are split between top and in-spring. New coilovers are the best option.

    Diff drop is recommended at 2" lift. I would say required at 3" and above.
    UCAs are recommended at 3" lift. UCAs are required over 3" lift.

    Rear lift can be done with blocks, aals, shackles or new leaf packs. Have heard aals on Tundra are too stiff when you don't have a load. Blocks are a good cheap and popular way. I am now a fan of the shackles after replacing my blocks with shackles. New leaf pack built to your needs would be the best choice but $$$.
     
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    Fat Bob's aren't made in China - They are designed in Utah and contracted to some other company in the US that starts with a V. I talked to the people in their office about it and confirmed this when I bought mine.

    They also come with a lifetime warranty against defects or failure from regular use that is as good or better as the Toytec warranty. I'm not a dumb consumer - I did a lot of research and comparison. The two it came down to was the Toytec Boss kit or the Fat Bob's front with shackles (sourced elsewhere) in the rear.

    I understand brand loyalty, but to say FBG's are made in China simply isn't true. I'm sure the Toytec shocks are great as well, and they certainly look cooler.

    I read about 700 reviews and personal experiences online, both with Tundras and Tacomas before I bought the FBG. Thousands sold and only a few bad reviews. Many of the bad reviews I read were for very minor things like getting the wrong bolts or obvious user error. The ONLY review I can find on the Toytec site says the shocks leaked after a very short period of time. I'm not saying the FBG are better than the Toytec, as I've only had experience with one and not the other, but so far for me they are performing very well.

    I would encourage anyone to do their due diligence before buying anything and not just take my word for it.
     
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    I should also add that Fat Bob's is local to me, which was part of my decision to go with their product. If I have a problem with the coilovers I can literally drive there and avoid any shipping charges.
     
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    I just remembered the name of the manufacturer for the FBG coilovers. It's a company called Vated Suspension and they are based out of Ogden, UT, USA.
     
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