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Know before you tow

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by T-Rex266, May 19, 2018.

  1. Sep 2, 2019 at 6:14 AM
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    That’s effen awesome. I like how they really sensationalized it. “He said the cause was a blown tire”... and that guy didn’t look much like a “professional” driver either.
    Must have been a slow news day.
     
  2. Sep 2, 2019 at 6:54 AM
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    Same here man. It’s a good knowledge and skills to have and especially safety for family and everyone else is number one thing. Its one of those thing you can’t be cheap and not get a proper training.
     
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    General towing question. I have been looking for a horse hauler for a while now, seems like Tundra just is not going to cut it. However, I have friends who claim their towing capacity goes up if they are hauling their gooseneck versus a bumper. I can't find anything anywhere to support that. Seems that the gooseneck makes for a.much easier ride, but the towing capacity remains the same. Can anyone verify?
     
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  5. Aug 6, 2021 at 3:59 PM
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    Yes and no.

    Yes, because you get to use more available capacity over conventional towing.

    No, because you don't have a lot of capacity anyway.

    For instance, we will take my truck so you can see how this will benefit to go with a GN trailer.

    My GMC 3500HD has a capacity rating of 3808 lbs. My conventional towing receiver hitch can carry 1500 lbs max. So that is more than double.

    Here is the "but"...GN trailers weigh more and you need a heavier hitch. My small GN trailer (24') is 1050 lbs hitch weight empty. Depending on your specific trucks capacity, this would absorb most of it before loading. GN are usually pretty close to being able to carry the axle rating due to how much weight is transferred to the truck. For instance, my trailers are rated at 16000 lbs. My smaller one is 4600 lbs empty. 1050 lbs is already on the truck via pin weight. So 16000-4600=11400 lbs. Now I can take up around 3808 lbs of pin weight.... 11400+3808=15208 lbs is technically what I can haul if the load is positioned correctly or I have enough deck space to shift weight.

    Some examples. This is the other GN trailer I have which is a 28' lowboy.

    Empty

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    Max capacity without a lot of room to shift weight.

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    This is max capacity too, but look how the truck isn't squatting as much due to load position.

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    Now this is where you come in and why this matters. Let's just say you have a 4x4 CM, which is pretty common on here. Most people have a capacity rating of ~1300 lbs

    GN hitch 150 lbs
    trailer 4500
    Most GN hitch trailers are 20+% of the trailer weight. Mine is 23%.

    Lets use 20%. 4500x20%=900 lbs

    900 lbs plus 150 lbs hitch=1050 lbs.

    Now load a couple lighter horses in the trailer. We will just say these are lean horses 1000 lbs x 2.

    6500x 20%=1300 lbs. Add the hitch weight, passengers, and any other gear you will be over the trucks capacity.


    Hope this helps. You would be better off with a bumper pull trailer.
     
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  6. Aug 9, 2021 at 11:18 AM
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    Aside from being able to place the load over your axle, isn't the stability of a GN/fifth wheel a big reason for switching from a bumper pull? I have never hauled one but I remember people saying that they are much more stable to pull. I assumed that the stability was a result of taking away the trailers leverage that it has when pulling from behind the axle?:notsure:
     
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  7. Aug 9, 2021 at 7:49 PM
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    Only downside to a 5th wheel/GN hitch is winter driving is if you lose traction on the rear axle and start sliding. You will still get leverage feeling and when it starts....damn. This usually only happens with empty gooseneck trailers and it feels like a jackhammer under your seat. Usually only happens on crappy concrete patches.
     
  8. Sep 26, 2022 at 7:44 PM
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  9. Nov 3, 2022 at 8:10 PM
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    I had a 8ft wide single axle utility trailed that would sway if I didn’t put enough weight on the hitch, especially going downhill. When first towing, I thought less weight on the hitch was better, but I am fortunate to have learned the error in my ways early enough to not have an accident.
     

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