JD Power Rankings

Would have thought Toyota would have been ranked much higher.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...che-top-jd-power-car-quality-study/103050990/

 

most of the problems are related to the functionality of the media players. ie the entune and lexus enform. Who cares about that? If those ratings were based on mechanical issues toyota/lexus would be on top

 

The key here is the Survey is for Initial Quality which in most cases is the first 90 days of ownership. While disappointing that Toyota is low on the list, after a year I guarantee they will be above top 15..... Especially Ford and Chevy.

 

Exactly!

 

Initial quality. Sounds like something you say right before you totally rip something apart about how big of a piece of shit it is.

Well when I first bought it the initial quality seemed great, but then the first tow truck ride home....I realized I effed up big time buying this piece of crap.

 

Any ranking that would place Lexus as below average has virtually zero credibility

 

When I saw Chevrolet awarded all those awards on the TV commercial I immediately discredited anything JD Power has ever done.

 

I got an award once . No....wait, the officer called it a citation . Nevermind.

 

Initial quality is only for 90 days anyway, so I don't really understand why it matters. The long term vehicle dependability study they conducted paints a different picture. As is usual, Chrysler and its daughters suck:

 

Just curios, how come Ram is separate and doesn't fall under Dodge?

 

Ram was made a separate division by FCA a few years ago.

 

Ha, I never caught that. Apparently they don't say Dodge on them anymore. Shows how much I pay attention to their trucks.

 

Beat me to it. Every time grandma brings in her Avalon because she can't figure out how to switch to the AM radio station on the fancy touchscreen, that counts as a problem.

 

LOL... this guy "mahk" does hilarious parodies about chevy and JD Power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSBsq6HBBzw

 

haha... here is another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZKUbzAdb7E

 

I call BS. Fake media. Haha.

 

very informative link!

What Do Buyers Most Like about the Tundra?
Based on the results of the 2015 U.S. APEAL Study, and according to the people who own one, the five most appealing attributes of the Toyota Tundra are (in descending order) engine/transmission, exterior styling, driving dynamics, interior design, and visibility and safety.

so true in my case ... I only cared about engine/trans and to some extent #2 ... the exterior looked chubby a few years back and I was out for that reason. I said i drive my Tacoma
as soon as it started to look more square (Like F150 ... lol) I was back in the game!

 

So do you think Chevy misrepresented the awards?

 

I own a small GM car and it has been perfectly reliable
While I agree that GM has made a lot of crap over the years, they also have made some pretty good stuff as of late. A lot of their reliability problems are also due to the type of people that purchase and maintain them. There is a reason why Buick has some of the highest long term reliability while the same cars wearing a bowtie have some of the lowest.
I grew up with Chevy Suburbans and 1/2 tons and every one of them had over 350k on the clock and were still running before my dad got rid of them. Maintenance is everything.

 

I've only owned one Chevrolet truck and it didn't give me an ounce of trouble. Now my brother in law just bought a Cruze and the engine went south before the first oil change. GM ended up buying it back after 7 months of never running right after the new engine was put back in it. Now Ford and Jeep are another story. My first F150 ate rotors and alternators like M&M's. It was a straight 6 and got such poor fuel mileage I stopped emergently along I95 to look for a hole in the gas tank that wasn't there. The second was a F150 with the 302. I had some brake issues with it as well And one air conditioning compressor but otherwise it was strong. The Jeeps (TJ, CJ, YJ, Grand Cherokee's) just plain were horrible. I had non stop electrical, brake and hardware failures.

Toyota on the other hand I could go on and on. I've owned two Corolla's, one Venza, two Four Runners, three Highlander's, four Tacoma's and 4 Tundra's. I've never had a single thing break on any of them except with collisions.

 

The reliability data and information is mostly gleaned from surveys. Accuracy is a derivative of sample size. Consumer Reports take exceptionally large samples. That being said, it all devolves to probability: to simplify, say for instance that 1 Toyota out of 10 is a lemon, 4 GM's of 10 are lemons and 7 out of 10 Chrysler/Fiats are lemons.
You can still get a lemon when you buy a Tundra, just as you could possibly get a trouble free Ram, but, what are the odds?

 

My guess is the grenaded motor was secondary to a teen driver. I had a long talk with him after the engine blew up and explained the importance of a breakin period. Every time I saw him driving it was balls to the wall. Saying that, I don't think a Corolla motor would have blown in 4000 miles regardless of how you drove it barring sheer acts of stupidity. The only Jeep I ever owned that I truly liked was a CJ 5 completely modified. When it broke I was the one with the blame.

 

Alot of gm problems is not gm it's the shit ass suppliers they use including China . On the flip side alot of the engine tech like cylinder deactivate has been a nightmare and a expensive one for the owners as it fails outside the warranty period.

I still say if gm would go back say to the early 70 to 60's you had a real gm vehicle.

As for jd power it makes great SHIT PAPER.

 

What you're saying is that GM is not responsible for the suppliers that THEY choose to use? And so, because THEY put Chinese crap in the production of their vehicles the subsequent problems aren't GM,s fault? GM is just an innocent victim. Bullshit.

 

I have a 2500