Is the Tundra Hybrid worth it?

While I agree with you, I understand their reasoning.

 

Understand, yeah.. Like, not so much. I'm working on a few mods.

 

Yes

 

Because I'm a math geek, I actually crunched the numbers. Assuming constant acceleration in a 0-60 mph race, the hybrid would win by 17.5 feet, nose to nose. So your calculations are very close. And, as you said, the non-hybrid would more than make up that distance in a 1/4 mile.

That said, unless we are talking about the Raptor R, discussing drag times of 1/2-ton pickups is kinda silly, IMO

 

Except that actual track tests placed the hybrid faster .... By fractions of a second. But again, we aren't racing these things... If I want to go fast, I'll drive one of my cars.

 

I've driven both for extended periods and bought the hybrid. My #1 reason for buying the hybrid by far is that it felt more refined to me. For this reason alone, if I were buying a Tundra today, it would be hybrid.

I like that I can idle with the engine off for up to around 20 minutes, or move slowly at low speeds with the engine off (like backing into the garage quietly).

I can't say that I notice a big difference in power between the two, but the hybrid has more initial jump off the line and eliminates my perception of throttle lag. Very smooth transitions between full electric and engine power.

While this was not the reason for buying the hybrid, if it helps, in my driving, I got 2mpg better with the hybrid. In normal mode, I average 19-20. In eco, I average 22-23.

I've never towed with either, so can't weigh in on that, but with a maxed out payload in the hybrid, I barely felt the weight.

I also like how the hybrid system operates, and that I don't have start/stop.

After living with a 2018 tundra, in my mind, I'm not losing rear seat storage since I'm not used to having it. I also like that the battery is inside the truck, maybe helping it to last longer due to temperature control.

I like the warranty on the hybrid components that Toyota provides. It seems like this is the future and the direction that Toyota and others are going. Toyota's hybrids are the best, if you are going to get one.

 

Yeah, I will second that its nice to idle and have a/c going without gas engine going for a good while while stopped. One thing I really hate about traditional ICE vehicles with auto start stop, you stop, engine cuts off, no a/c. too damn hot here for that nonsense.

 

Physics is physics.

All else being equal, including reaction times at a light, the hybrid will gain a slight advantage from about 0-30 mph due to the electric engine. Above that, both are running on the gas engine. The hybrid advantage goes away at higher speeds because of the weight difference. At a 1/4 mile the non-hybrid wins.

I could show you the actual math, but I doubt you'd understand it. Suffice to say, you like your hybrid, and that's cool. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze for me.

 

You can show me the math, but real world results trump your paper calculations with actual proven results.

Given actual tested 1/4 mile times show hybrid is faster, it would seem your actual math didn't account for some variables.

You may also want to be careful assuming you're more educated in mathematics and physics and actual racing than someone you don't know online. Your insults are unwelcome.

 

I don’t like that system either but,

1). You can turn it off
2) it won’t shut off at all if the ac demand is there , tells you that too

 

Oh I'm aware. I've disabled it on over a dozen vehicles across 4 different manufacturers. The newer vehicles without physical buttons are becoming more challenging to disable auto start stop. In addition to a/c demand, many manufacturers also have battery variables checked and if not within set range will also disable the system.

 

Im not against hybrids at all, we have a 2023 25th anniversary awd sienna hybrid, its great gets 35 mpg and you also get a better inverter , and. Now you get a vacuum and fridge etc. we cooked with a crock pot on the way to a party lol

toyota just need to offer some value with the hydrid tundra

Put the storage back in, offer the generator like ford has and I’m in

 

Show me your "real world results" that differ from actual physics and math. I'd love to learn something new.

Variables in racing are just that...variables.

Not sure why you are so invested in this. Perhaps it's because you need confirmation bias that your choice to go hybrid was justified. I think you got sold.

 

I just love all of the stuff that came standard in my pavement princess,actually it is a bit over whelming
and she's pretty damn sexy on the sand too

 

I don’t think you will seeing any real mpg gains in hybrid trucks until they switch from parallel to series hybrid systems. Parallel systems will always be assist type functions due to trucks weights and vehicle requirements….i read awhile back that Ram is coming out with one soon and I think that will be a game changer in truck market

 

Ram isn't really making a hybrid, though. The ICE won't power the wheels. Its going to be an EV with a gas generator to bolster range.

 

that’s still a hybrid system, ship and subs have been using for awhile

 

Semantics.

It's only hybrid in obtaining energy, it's electric in propulsion. If the gas generator dies the truck still goes. If the battery goes it's a paperweight.

 

When you start talking drag racing there are a lot of variables. If you have a car with lower gears that gets to 120 faster it outrun a 125 mph car by a little. It all depends on how efficient the setup.

 

When I put my truck in Tow Haul Plus it turns the hybrid on in PRO way earlier and is on alot more, And the goes pretty good. I would take the V8 5.0 from the Supra with a TRD Blower like the 5.7. Give me the 5.0 Hybrid, with an optional TRD blower either right from the dealer or order it from the factory with a blown 5.0 with the hybrid and ten speed. That would sell a ton of those trucks, and I just want a truck that acts like a race car, but I don't want to have a sports car. Muscle/Fast trucks are amazing. A TRD PRO with a SC\d V8 and HYBRID 10 spd could easily be a 750 hp truck. Honestly just build that exact truck. I would pay trx money for that set up in a heartbeat. My 08 is winter beater but I am so tempted to sell the new on and throw a blower on the old girl and just beat on her lol

 

Yes, the torque and slight MPG gain are worth it to me. cost and less under seat storage are the drawbacks.

 

The only other advantage to the hybrid I haven't seen mentioned is while using cruise control.
The regen is doing most of my freeway braking/adjusting speed. Other than engine start/stop and Turbo lag this seems to be the next biggest complaint that is solved by the hybrid.
I test drove several non hybrid's, then went and test drove all the other big trucks. Wasn't really happy with any of them and gave Toyota another chance when the dealer got a hybrid in... It took me all of 2 seconds to realize if the fake sound could be turned off, I was getting the hybrid.
Get your ass in the seat if you're really considering it, see if the price pucker outweighs the smile hanging from ear to ear!

 

It’s funny. Everyone with a non-hybrid can easily justify not going with the hybrid. Hybrid owners easily justify the hybrid benefits.

We all have some bias. Im sure if I had gone with the hybrid, I would be singing its praises as well.

No critique, just observation.

 

Maybe it's as simple as we all got the truck we needed?

 

You guys with your 0-60 times and 1/4 mile overall times . . . on a truck . . . with 4 doors . . . and a bed . . . and most likely stuff in the back . . . Cause it's a truck!

Calif Tundra's Humble Decision Tree:

• Truck for 4-wheeling - Tacoma
• Truck for Towing small to medium trailers - Take your pick Tundra Hybrid, Ram, Ford
• Truck for towing BIG trailers - Ram Diesel, GM Diesel
• Truck for racing stop light to stop light - Raptor R or Ram TRX
• Truck for looking good and all around great rig - Toyota Tundra Gen 3 Turbo

 

I was under the impression the hybrid actually has a lower towing capacity due to the weight of the batteries... At least that what my research showed on the internet. Thats gotta be valid.

 

Unfortunately, most of us have to settle on just one of the five. (Nope, two of the five.)

• Truck for Towing small to medium trailers - Take your pick: Tundra (Non-Hybrid)
• Truck for looking good and all around great rig - Toyota Tundra Gen 3 Turbo
  
  Not a Race Truck, but we can pretend!

 

I think it just has a lower payload.

 

Yes, the hybrid has a lower towing capacity than the non-hybrid. It also has a lower highway mpg rating. Both are due to the additional weight of the hybrid system.

 

So....more power to tow, but can't tow as much.

Anyone else feeling the irony?