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Is Batman A Superhero?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Outbound, Aug 12, 2022.

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Is Batman a superhero?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Real heroes don't wear capes

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  1. Aug 12, 2022 at 7:46 AM
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    Outbound

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    Although I'm no longer a 1st Genner, I feel it is still my obligation to step up and start the Friday debate. Today's argument is whether or not Batman is a superhero.

    I say he is not. He is merely a rich guy on steroids with the money to have Alfred build a performance enhancing suit and a bunch of cool gadgets.

    Batman is not a superhero.
     
  2. Aug 12, 2022 at 7:49 AM
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    Steroids? Pfft. It’s all the lobster thermidor he eats.
     
  3. Aug 12, 2022 at 7:51 AM
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    Ironman isn't one either, then.

    And Green Lanterns is just a cocky guy with an alien ring that let's him do stuff. Is he not a hero?

    You're correct that Batman would not be a Metahuman and not superpowered, but even without the suit and tech he is a martial arts master with a genius level intellect that he applies to detective work.
     
  4. Aug 12, 2022 at 7:56 AM
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  5. Aug 12, 2022 at 7:59 AM
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    Iron Man is a superhero. He literally has a reactor in his chest that he built himself. His superhero ability is his genius mechanical engineering skills. He built his first suit all by himself, in a cave, with scrap parts.

    Batman on the other hand pays Alfred to build his stuff, same idea that James Bond has gadgets but it's Q Branch that develops them. Being a martial arts master does not a superhero make and although he is highly intelligent, his detective work is nothing special. Gotham's law enforcement know exactly who is committing the crimes, but are bound by legal red tape and don't have the high end kit so they can't do anything about it. Batman operates outside of the law and has advanced military grade hardware to handle the major threats.

    Green Lantern isn't really a super hero in my mind either since his power comes from an alien device. Without it, he's nothing. Superman isn't really a superhero either for a similar reason, because he's just an alien. Same for Thor, he's a god not a superhero.
     
  6. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:07 AM
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    I'm going way back, but Batman according to the original version, books, is a pretty sadistic, evil machine of vengeance who was able to channel his energies towards people in society that were otherwise outside of, or able to get away from, the law. Superhero? Depends on your definition as his abilities, natural and mechanized, were far above that of even the most capable among the populace.

    Either way, I'm still trying to be Batman when I grow up.
     
  7. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:09 AM
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    I was always more of a Marvel comics guy, but pretty sure Batman builds his own stuff too.

    I guess a better question here would be who IS a superhero by your standards? If it's innate, like Superman, it disqualifies them? So Aquaman? Wonder Woman? What about the mutants of X-men?

    Scott Lang as Ant-man? He didn't create the tech he uses, so he doesn't count?

    What about your pops? Is @War Machine not a superhero because he got/stole his gear from Stark?
     
  8. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:10 AM
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    I think this is the wrong mindset of he is or he is not.

    He just is Batman - No labels

     
  9. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:18 AM
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    So if you have powers from birth, you're not super. If you don't build your own stuff, you're not super. If your powers come from something, you're not super.

    But iron man is super because he's smart. That makes sense :rofl:
     
  11. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:22 AM
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    I think a superhero is an ordinary human created from extraordinary circumstances or developing abilities.

    I'd say Spiderman is a superhero. His abilities came from being bitten by a spider.

    The Fantastic 4 were normal humans who were bombarded by cosmic rays, which gave them powers thus making them superheroes.

    Daredevil was blinded trying to help an innocent person , but the radiation gave him enhanced senses. He is a superhero.

    Venom is borderline, because his power is the "parasite" but his ability to bond with it is unique yet he remains reluctant.

    The X-Men are borderline too, as they're born with mutations yet are still otherwise human.

    Aquaman I don't know alot of the origin story. Wonder Woman is basically a god, like Thor. Pretty sure Ant Man discovered the chemical that shrinks him so he could count.

    Obviously @War Machine is a superhero. Anybody who can rip off Tony Stark is worthy of the title.
     
  12. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:25 AM
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    Not quite. Powers from birth don't count if it makes you immortal. Hiring someone to build you cool stuff makes you Elon Musk, but not super. If you're powers come from some technology you've stumbled on and use, not super. If your powers come from being accidentally exposed to something it makes you super, or using your innate gift of intelligence to turn yourself into a walking power station makes you super.
     
  14. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:26 AM
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    So then, are there any superheroes? What defines a superhero.
     
  15. Aug 12, 2022 at 8:27 AM
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    Or you could be Dexter. Pretty similar description to that original Batman you described.
     
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    So superheroes are in two groups: you're either lucky or you're smart? :D
     
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    He is a vigilante.
     
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    Therein lies the rub. Also, what's the difference between hero and superhero? Batman is a hero, but not a superhero. :boink:

    Kinda like rich people. :monocle:
     
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    So in the Chris Nolan universe, Fox is the super hero?
     
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    Aquaman is an Atlantean. His abilities are innate.

    Wonder Woman's powers come from magic bestowed upon her.

    Pym invented the particles and was the original Ant-Man. Scott Lang is using Pym's tech.
     
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    Why is stumbling on something different from being accidentally exposed to something?
     
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    Aquaman doesn't count.

    If Wonder Woman is a superhero because of magic, is Merlin? How about Gandalf?

    I suppose that's a fair point. Stumbling on something and using it for good rather than evil could make you a hero
     
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    True. Barry Allen, The Flash, was hit by lightning that exposed him to the Speed Force. Kind of a magical ball of super speed that gives all the speedsters their "power", but does that fall under stumbling upon technology/magic, or is it more akin to being bitten by a spider?
     
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    It’s Lucius Fox that builds Batman’s gadgets, not Alfred. In the comics Bruce Wayne builds most of his stuff.
    Alfred is the lifetime butler/consultant for the Wayne family until they tragically were murdered. Alfred became Bruce’s legal guardian and supporter for the Batman role.


    In bigger news…Aaron!! You got a 22 Tundra? Holy Crap.
     
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    Correct. My mistake. I always mix up the two for some reason.

    I should also say most of my opinion is based upon movies. I can count on one hand the number of comic book series I've read in my life :D
     
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    Any technology that is sufficiently advanced would be perceived as magic. Ironman would be magic to people 1000 years ago.

    How about Doctor Strange? He's using magic to protect the world from forces beyond what Ironman can comprehend.
     
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    I really don't know how I feel about Doctor Strange.
     
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    Safe to say you have strange feelings about him?

     
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    You guys’ definition of a superhero is getting way too complicated. Almost to the point it eliminates everyone. Lol

    Hero = saves a life.
    Superhero = saves lives. On a regular basis.
     

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