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Inside Toyota Tundra Theft and What You Can Do to Prevent It

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by T-Rex266, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. Sep 12, 2017 at 7:20 PM
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    Every 45 seconds, a car is stolen somewhere in the U.S, according to the National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB). You don’t often hear of a Toyota Tundra being stolen and becoming a part of this statistic, however, that does not mean it is impossible for it to happen to you.

    Toyota Tundra Engine Immobilizer Security Feature.

    One of the reasons you scarcely hear of a Tundra being stolen is because of the Anti-Theft Engine Immobilizer feature installed in your vehicle. According to a Toyota dealership, this feature is a “state-of-the-art security system that will stop bad apples in their tracks. If you opt for a vehicle with the Toyota Smart Key system, the key fob comes with an electronic transponder. When you put your key in the ignition or use the push button start feature, the transponder sends an electronic code to a corresponding transponder that operates the engine immobilizer unit. Your engine will only start if the signal sent by your key or Smart Key fob matches that of the engine immobilizer. If you grabbed the wrong key or a car thief tries to start your car without that signal, the engine immobilizer will lock down the engine.”

    Sounds like a good deal, right? No key, no stolen truck! Or so you thought.

    Thieves Bypass Engine Immobilizer System to Hijack Tundras

    In the few cases I have heard of someone’s Tundra being stolen, it was clear by the owners that they were still in possession of their keys when the incident occurred. Well how can this be? It’s impossible to hot-wire most cars these days because of newer technology with microchips embedded in keys. You can only use YOUR specific key to start YOUR Tundra, right? Wrong. Thieves today seem to be getting smarter as time progresses. They are now using hacking technology to break into vehicles and drive away without any trace of evidence. One may believe that someone just towed their truck, but stealing? Let’s see how it can happen.

    Hack-in-the-Box: The Mystery Hijacking Device

    This mystery device, a “little black box”, that leaves law enforcement officials stumped at how one’s truck can be stolen (unless there’s security footage), comes as a two-piece set. One device picks up a signal from a vehicles key fob that can range from 10 to 300 feet away, which then transfers data to a smaller “relay box” that can unlock and start your truck- overriding your alarm. Your keys can be merely anywhere for someone to hijack your data; on your nightstand, in your purse, your pocket, you can be in the grocery store or someone can even just walk by you to access that information, much like with your credit or debit cards.

    Laptops Used to Highjack Tundras

    Laptops are other devices that can be used to steal your Tundra. The way this can happen is a hacker could break into a database (or even an employee could have easily sold/used access to the database) holding codes that pair key fobs to vehicles, and create their own working fob or “ghost key” for your truck after accessing your VIN number. They can also plug a laptop straight into your OBD port, manipulate your truck’s computer, and have full control of your Tundra.

    What You Can Do to Prevent Theft

    It’s scary to realize that anyone can simply steal your car without your knowledge, without a trace. There are several ways of preventing this from happening to you. Some experts say putting your keys in a metal box, a wallet designed to thwart your passport or card information, or even the freezer or refrigerator is a sure way to prevent hackers from stealing your data. You could also buy a kill switch to prevent your truck from traveling anywhere or hide a GPS system that can help you and the police to track and recover your Tundra.

    At times, no matter what you do, some thief will have the ability to steal your car. These crooks always seem to stay one step ahead of car manufacturers’ safety features, but it’s important for you to always stay alert and take additional precautionary measures so it doesn’t happen to you.

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  2. Sep 12, 2017 at 7:26 PM
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    My wife and neighbors already think I'm paranoid about my tailgate and catalytic converters being stolen, I'd never hear the end of it if I started keeping my keys in the fridge.
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  3. Sep 12, 2017 at 7:42 PM
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    Lo-jack....only way....$$$$$$$$$$$$$
     
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  4. Sep 12, 2017 at 7:48 PM
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    IMG_0837.jpg A holes tried at wifes work... luckily my wife had the key fob that beebs and i told alarm installer to run siren wire and siren well hidden so that A HOLES can't get to it (paid installer $50 on side)... also have back up batt n siren if they do clip first siren
     
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    WTF. I'd take a week off work and..

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  6. Sep 12, 2017 at 8:33 PM
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    Hold the Line! If you are not holding the line, abandon your ship. Destruction is inevitable without more to hold the line!
    Something else that is becoming increasingly more of a problem is automobile ransom, someone can use the same technology mentioned above to "take control of your vehicle" while you are in it. It is very scary stuff and it has happened, yet you never hear about it because the Media does not want you to.

    A typical scenario may play out like this:
    "Hackers" perform a physical watering hole attack. They figure out a place in public that your vehicle is frequently parked at. They pull up close to it (can be as far as .5 miles away) and gain access to the 'computer'. then when the victim gets back in and starts driving they can, lock the doors, windows etc. They may talk to you through the audio of your vehicle and tell you that you are going to drive the vehicle to the bank and withdraw $xxxxx amount of money from inside of the vehicle. Then they will have you drive to a remote location and throw the money out of the vehicle. They will then make you drive away and one of their fellow perpetrators will pick up the money and leave. Then they might leave you alone if they are satisfied.

    Oh and by the way, if you do not cooperate, they will just make it so that it cannot be taken out of gear (or brakes applied) and they will make the motor redline, until either you lose control and wreck or you agree to their demands.

    This stuff does happen, you just do not hear about it. If you do a google search on this stuff it does come up though...

    It is more prevalent in foreign countries... but it has happened in the U.S.
     
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  8. Sep 12, 2017 at 9:20 PM
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    I did this google search and got this. Nothing like what you said. Please post links to what you are saying, it sounds pretty bad
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  9. Sep 12, 2017 at 9:40 PM
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    I would like to know how best to mount a kill switch. Easily, and without compromising any of the electrical components. A simple toggle, that would keep the truck from running or starting.
    Anyone?
     
  10. Sep 12, 2017 at 10:56 PM
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    Hold the Line! If you are not holding the line, abandon your ship. Destruction is inevitable without more to hold the line!
    Sure thing, I will try to dig up some stuff on it. Like I said it is typically not mentioned and that might be why it is not showing up with a google search (google is just normally my go to).
     
  11. Sep 12, 2017 at 11:18 PM
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    and it even gets worse....with a phone calls and 100-130.00.

     
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    Great topic Sean.

    Other things one can do to protect from tow truck theft:

    Very visible Camera mounted outside. This alone makes most thiefs move along.

    Back into parking spots. This makes it very difficult when having to use wrecker dollies.

    If you can't back up into spaces, turn wheels all the way to lock. This makes the tow truck driver use the wrecker dollies.

    Not an option for most, garage yo shit.

    Kill switch. I have one on my Jeep for safety reasons when I end up on my lid to cut all electrical to help with fires. Not a bad way to go, and if you don't use the vehicle often, mounting a kill switch will stop ignition/computer hackers. This however would kill power to everything, and that would include an alarm and radio presets.
     
  13. Sep 13, 2017 at 12:02 PM
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    ditto that. i need easy though, not like this...

     
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    On my 2001 taco, a mouse chewed through a little wire and it would not run. Only about 18g and located on top of the V6.
    I bet there's a 1/2 dozen little wires on the tundra like this. We just need someone with the technical skills and a wiring diagram to figure out the best one.
     
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    A kill switch can be had for 6.00-15.00 at most battery supply stores or your local Walmart. Make sure you get one that has a "key" so even if the thief finds the disconnect, there is another problem for them to solve.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/12v-Batt...0161&wl11=online&wl12=246602740&wl13=&veh=sem

    Then the expensive part starts.

    A kill switch is just an open disconnect between the negative battery post and the ground. Depending on where you mount the switch is how expensive this will be. Mine is in the cab of my Jeep, so I needed 12' of welding cable for my ground. Spendy....but so is my Jeep.
     
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    @ColoradoTJ
    What I was getting at above is different.
    I'm familiar with what you described, have had em on lots of equipment through the years.
    What I am looking for is a way to make sure that the vehicle won't start or run interrupting some minor wire. Perhaps the control to the injector pump? This would keep the battery on line so all the computers are maintained.
     
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    I have done that as well. Electrical schematic time...

    Mine is more for safety vs theft, but has the added benefit.

    I would look into the taillight circuit. I remember someplace on here from a tail light retrofit that went wrong automatically doesn't allow the vehicle to be shifted out of park.

    Fuel pump circuit would work and should be rather easy to find.
     
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    That tail light would be easy, I remember that thread. And, a small toggle could maybe be mounted inside the tailgate opening right next to the tail light.
     
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    See, that is a great option for a mount. Glad you remember what I was talking about. I felt like an idiot even bringing it up.
     
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    A follow up note, inside the tailgate opening next to the taillight there's already a little hole and I measured 3/4" of space for a little switch.
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  21. Sep 21, 2017 at 6:32 AM
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    One of the easiest mods I've done in the past is a kill switch to the fuel pump. You can turn the key, but it isnt going anywhere. Pretty simple install. I havent looked at the wiring on the Tundra (I've owned it for 4 whole days), but should be pretty straight forward.
     

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