iForce Max or Standard V6 Twin Turbo?

Exact same discussion going on in this thread.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/tundra-i-force-v6-vs-i-force-max-hybrid.126767/

 

I saw this too, sounds like a heavy vehicle (battery, motors, ice engine, gas tank) hopefully payload makes sense.

 

My little 2015 BMW is like that. It has a 2 cyl scooter motor to make volts to charge the battery to power the electric motor. Not too sure why they need a V6 other than to supply a ton of electricity to the batteries. When towing, it must be using a lot of electricity!

 

My hybrid basically shuts off at 75mph or higher. Under that I can kick it on all the time

 

Thats your opinion, and you don't offer many relevant points to back it up.

I have 22 non hybrid, it's laggy, not pleasant to drive.

I drove two hybrid tundras and those were much stronger to accelerate, and little to no throttle lag. 90% of posts about throttle delay here are non hybrid trucks.

I'm very much active on this forum, but I can't recall seeing ANY hybrid owners saying that they wish they had non hybrid because reason 1, 2,3. And once they drive non hybrid, they would be very disappointed with performance.

And hybrid here isn't necessarily about gas savings, it's about better response and power. Although I get 12mpg city with non hybrid, and got about 19-20mpg city with hybrid.

 

I dont mind not having the hybrid. I keep lots of stuff in the storage space under the rear seats.
I got spoiled with that option with my last vehicle (tacoma)

As for power? I'm sure its nice to have a few extra horses on tap.
For me? Dont need it. As for the initial stop lag? I got used to it.
Doesn't really bother me all that much. Really only notice it after I drive my 4runner or camaro.
Otherwise a passenger in there would never realize it.

The only benefit to me about the hybrid would be the better gas milage in stop and go traffic.

To each their own.

 

Same here...

Just test drove a ram 1500 hemi yesterday for about half hour, courtesy of carmax.

Omg... I couldn't believe it, when you press the gas pedal slowly, it actually drives proportionally to how much you press that gas pedal. And I could actually make a left turn and press gas slightly at the right time during that turn to smoothly keep the momentum going (just regular smooth driving, not driving fast or anything) .

Then I got back into my Tundra... Press gas pedal, wait 1-2 seconds then it starts accelerating in a random and unpredictable fashion... Very fun

 

Exactly. His opinion. With a little effort, it's funny how one can find facts on the internet.
Hell, the 4x2s have higher towing and payload caps than 4x4s with either engine option. Are 4x2s better? Not for me and what I need to use my truck for just like the non-hybrid isn't better for what I use my truck for.
Actually, towing capacity is increased with the hybrid engine and most dependent on distance between front and rear axles/ overall vehicle length. The longer the distance means reduced towing cap. It's payload capacity that goes down for hybrid engines which makes sense considering hybrid GVW is higher than non-hybrids, but again distance between front and rear axles/ overall vehicle length means even more reduced payload. And even then, we're talking about a 100lb penalty, if that, toward the hybrid's towing cap. So, yup us hybrid bandwagon ppl are enjoying our higher HP, torque, and towing capacity. Put me in in the column of "I don't regret getting the hybrid versus non-hybrid."

 

Test drive both. The answer will become a lot clearer. You can learn a lot from this forum, but you'll never know until you drive both.

 

So many things for me to pay attention to when I test-drive Tundra again (hybrid vs non-hybrid, listen to wind noises, etc).

 

Yes you should pay attention..

Otherwise you'll be like me, stuck with a laggy driving truck and would be loosing $15-20k of depreciation and taxes to get into a new truck

 

Thanks for the advice! I prioritize hybrid drivetrain way more than off-road capability. My thinking is if I am going to pay extra, I will put the extra $4-5K towards the hybrid drivetrain instead of TRD-Offroad package. I mean, if I have $$$$ I will go hybrid TRD-offroad, but I don't lol

 

By the way, the hybrid system works in 4x4 mode as well. Another pieces of fake news I encountered while researching my truck prior to purchase.

I could have sworn I read somewhere that the 2022 Pro was going to come with KO2s. That would have made the package complete.

 

By Platty do you mean "Hybrid Platform"? I don't want to put more $$$ into this truck like a tuner. This thing should run great just stock. Don't you agree?

 

He meant "platinum" trim level. And yes, the truck does run great stock.

Get the hybrid. What does anyone need that "under seat storage" for anyways? Lol to the dude praising Tacoma under seat storage... my 2017 Tacoma double cab had very little. A few ratchet straps and a flashlight... done.

P.S. my hybrid Tundra also can store my ratchet straps, flashlight, and Toyota first aid kit that my Taco did. There's room.

 

Platinum. I do agree, it does run great stock. I just like it way more with the tuner. Worth the money IMO.

 

Does tuner void all warranty? In GM world, once a new file was flashed the checksum did not match - guaranteed loss of warranty coverage.

 

Anyone have the Hybrid in cold climates for a full winter? I'm in Minny. Do you park it inside or outside when its cold.
Comments?

 

I'm in NE and the winters vary from time to time,but she's parked in the garage at night.
What's up?

 

I got a question about the hybrid. Say you’re pulling a camp trailer up a steep long grade does the hybrid motor stay engaged to assist the gas engine with the climb or does it essentially turn off????

 

Yes the electric motor should stay on during towing to help... Based on the TFL truck tests.

Actual, lucky, hybrid owners can confirm

 

I'm just thinking if I'm parked on a frozen lake for 2 days ice fishing in the wheelhouse am I going to have any issues. My guess is not.

 

Anyway you can find the same thing on the LC 300 or LX ?
Just curious if the torque curve is different knwoing that they are using premium gas and produce a little bit more HP.
Thank you

 

Who uses premium gas? It isn't mandated for the hybrid system. I use Mid grade and can not really tell the difference between it and premium. The truck isn't tuned to run on premium gas only.

 

I believe the Lexus motors, while mechanically very similar/identical, are tuned for higher octane gas. 91+ octane IIRC, possibly 93 preferred. Not totally sure as I don’t own one. But yeah, 87 works just fine for my Tundra.

 

My 16 WRX STI has premium fuel only on gas cap, I run 93 octanes in it only. If premium fuel was a requirement, then it would be on the fuel cap. The Tundra is tuned to run on 87-90 octane, I am sure it doesn't hurt anything, but I run mid-grade primarily to reduce the amount of ethanol in the fuel I run. I have run 93 octane in it occasionally but I noticed no performance difference from going to a 89 octane mid-grade from a 93 and back and forth. I like to run 93 every so often to help clean the injectors and keep the ethanol caking to a minimum. However, you could probably run 87 all the time and not notice a power difference in it either. Toyota uses a very robust fuel programming system and it detects and tunes to run best on the fuel grade it is given.

 

Lexus uses different ECU tunes I am sure, and that is Toyota's premium luxury brand so I can see it. I would imagine the Toyota GR cars use 93 or recommend it from the factory as well. In this modern auto making world many brands share platforms to reduce costs associated with product development. I believe in premium fuel but it isn't fun when that stuff approaches 5-6 dollars a gallon. You could also find lower octane non ethanol fuels as well. I am sure you probably have 89 or 90 ethanol free pumps around Texas somewhere.

 

We have ethanol free fuel here by my house and office for use in boats. I used it in my old motorcycles, but I'd advise anyone else against using it. I've heard a couple of people have issues with it. Specifically, one of my bookkeepers put it in her mercedes. It somehow destroyed all her knock sensors. Vehicle was on limp mode.

 

Ive run ethanol free premium and thought it was much better, decent MPG gains as well.

That was in MN though, we get boned here and get ethanol

 

One reason I run mid grade is that it typically has 10 percent or so of ethanol, the low grade regular gas may say 10 percent but it is more like 20 plus percent. They lie on ratings where by the percent of ethanol in 87 octane is higher than published and so is mid grade but mid grade is around what 87 is supposed to be blended with. The gas companies tend yo make more money by blending in more ethanol than they are supposed to.