If you're a Gen 3 owner, what do you do?

I bailed on my ‘24 Tundra yesterday and will be back in a ‘24 5th gen 4Runner in the next week or two. I actually loved the truck, the way it looks & drives, but I could not live with the uncertainty of this engine and the potential tanking of any residual value in the long run. I hope this works out for everyone already affected or will be affected in the future. Wow, what was going on at Toyota? When they developed or were developing this engine for the Tundra didn’t they ‘torture test’ it? Shouldn’t this have shown up before full production? ‍♂️

 

Option 8. people awaiting delivery can switch over from purchase to a lease. Anything goes wrong with the truck, Hey Toyota come get your shit

 

just doingndue diligence here. In case I decide to do the same. Can I ask what you got for your 24? And trim, and miles please? Thx!

 

Even the rhyme and meter are perfect.

 

7 more than ever.
The discussions have absolutely exploded. 2/3rds are by people that have no risk. 1/3 by people that have risk or may have risk if Toyota expands the range. What isn't happening is an explosion in the number of reported bearing failures. It should be heading up pretty dramatically as the units in range accmulate more miles everyday as do the out of range units and those coming into service.
I'll sample the oil because I'm a chronic oil sampler but that's about it.

 

7. I think at the very least, Toyota will issue a lifetime powertrain warranty for those that purchased a 22-24 year model. The chances that you get one that blows a motor are still very remote. Out of around 450,000 Tundras built so far, they claim around 1000 have engine issues. That's still a pretty low risk. Of course those numbers can start to climb as the miles rack up.

 

I am taking my cue from the Brits facing the coming WW2 invasion from Germany which was maybe just slightly worse than this. IOW, I will just keep calm and carry on.

 

8. Trade in my 2023 1794 Tundra on a new 1794 Limited Edition and laugh at the people who suggest I trade down to a 2nd generation Tundra!

 

While that might work for me, I have to keep saying this... how would a longer warranty correct the safety defect that Toyota declared to NHTSA? IOW, having a longer warranty won't save you from the safety risks that Toyota has openly acknowledged if the motor locks up at speed in a high traffic situation.

 

I'm saying they should do that at the very least, you are correct that it does nothing to address the safety part. A lifetime warranty would help keep resale values from plummeting. I wonder if there have been any accidents associated with the 1000 engine failures, or are they just being super conservative.

 

We'll probably never know since Toyota doesn't communicate much. Maybe someone could mine the NHTSA data to find out?? In most scenarios we should be able to pull off the traffic lanes, but you know Murphy's Law will catch someone out. And while calling this a safety recall seems to put Toyota in a box, I admit I don't fully understand all their options. Maybe they could test the oil and declare that some might not be at high risk and just give a longer warranty? But that would seem to be a risky move for them.

 

It sounds like the design , engineering is not the problem but it sounds like it is a QC (quality control) problem during the manufacturing of the engine. Same with the few turbo failures that they had early on, the QC on the turbos supplied to Toyota was the problem.

 

Yep. Maybe Toyota can get an "inspection" process to clear the vehicles and still hold a longer warranty. Your engine craters though and you may be without a truck for a real long time. How much can you haul around in a loaner Corolla?

 

Here is a 1749 vehicle:



I'd suggest sticking with a 1794.

 

LOL...just noticed I did the same typo in my profile as well!

 

Sell/trade your 3rd gen asap...then, purchase a mid 80's Tacoma

Destroying a Truck on Top Gear (cdllife.com)

 

#7. I sold my 89 Toyota pickup to get a '24 Tundra, lol. No plans on going backwards or even to a different truck. I do find it a little funny that some people are frantic to dump their trucks like it's the plague, possibly getting something they wouldn't have wanted to buy in the first place instead. Never underestimate the power of panic.

 

Makes it easy to spot the ones who probably bit off more monthly payment than they could chew and want to get out in front of a potentially significant loss in resale value.

 

Indeed, my heart is also not damaged by something being pushed by the 'establishment' as I didn't comply. Healthy as a horse - for those that will get the reference.

 

It's nerve-wracking to wonder, "Will my engine blow up?" However, jumping straight to trading it in or selling it feels extreme to me. Toyota has a strong reputation for taking care of its vehicles and customers. I won't judge anyone who decides the risk is too high, though. I have a 2024 model, which isn't currently on the recall list, but I expect it might be eventually. Despite this, I love the truck and plan to keep it for the long haul.

 

Could be that or simply getting rid of the truck before probable engine failure and leaving their families stranded? Someone just posted in the recall thread that a '22 with 35k miles was pulling a trailer when the failure happened, and he had to carefully coast to the side of the road with trailer and family in tow....out in the middle of Montana 1,000 miles away mind you. So, getting rid of a ticking time bomb is actually not a bad idea if nothing else than for the peace of mind. I am considering it as well. I have a 3/24 TRD Pro build and yesterday someone posted another member with a 3/24 build TRD Pro that had a bearing go with less than 5k miles. This truck is scary and more and more bearing failures are being reported daily. Not good!

 

I love the optimism. Any make/model can have issues, but this one is a BIG one. Too many unknown variables and even almighty Toyota doesn't know the root cause yet. But, to your point, yes Toyota has a strong reputation regarding customer service but whatever the fix is (and I think it's going to be at a minimum a new engine block), will be a fix conducted by a likely inexperienced tech with double digit Tundras out back waiting for the same fix. Additionally, as several techs have posted, they get paid warranty pay which is less causing them to cut corners and rush. I am not the smartest guy in the world, but to me this doesn't sound good. Good luck to you, nonetheless. Inevitably, I think we are all headed for the recall.

 

If you never tow, go off-road, use it as a truck and go no further than your neighborhood Starbucks, I can see why you won't worry about it.

I bet Toyota won't cover the cost of your trailer or boat tow after picking up the truck.

 

Of course I am being a little facetious. However, when the recall fix is implemented, there are already 102,000 recalled units on record and I believe 98k are Tundras. So, generally speaking the roughly 1500 Toyota dealers in the US could have 65 Tundras each to probably install a new engine. As techs have already commented, this will take on average 3 weeks per repair. Of course, because techs have admitted they will cut corners and will be rushed due to low warranty pay, inevitable return repairs will be made on top of the 65 trucks waiting to get fixed. So, it's reasonable to think that when stage 2 of the recall happens which is probable based on the number of daily reported late '23-'24 Tundra failures, another 100-200k Tundras will need the repair. So, many speculate this may not be feasible and simple buy-backs may happen. Possible but IMHO not probable. This is a mess that if indeed is a design flaw (and I and many other engineers believe it is), then it's going to be a real mess..huge!

 

Possibly, but in my mind, I keep resorting to what happens when it does happen? Meaning, if it is an engine replacement (which at the very least will be), then there sits my new $80k truck in an unorganized service bay with inexperienced techs disassembling my truck, disassembling my engine, and reinstalling an engine and trying to put my truck back together as new. I don't think that is realistically possible. Moreover, now I likely have compromised bushings, clips, paint, and dust and grease on the inside due to 3+ weeks of the truck being in the service bay. I apologize for being a Debby-Downer but this is the reality we face. Some may be ok with this method of a possible fix, I for one don't think I will ever be comfortable with my new truck being compromised like that. Just my .02

 

Speaking only for myself I used the recall as an opportunity to convince my wife to let me get my dream truck, the 1794 Limited Edition. I lost a little on my 2023 truck but I also got a pretty sweet deal on my new truck from the dealer. Others might see this as the time to invest in a new truck with the I-Force Max as well.

I think it's a rush to judgement to say people are panicking and dumping 3rd gens. I just saw it as the perfect storm coming together to get me into a new truck.

 

Tempting.

 

Of course I understand what the recall is and Toyota has stated "potentially affected units". Sure, it may not be all Tundras affected yet as many drivers are still racking up miles without issue. However, if there is a design issue which I strongly suspect there is coupled with debris and other root cause plausibility, then its fair to assume that failure is immanent on most if not all Tundras built from '22-'24. Until there is a defined, proven fix, then my, your, and every other 3rd gen Tundra so far is subject to this failure dependent on driving habits and other factors (oil changes, towing, etc.).

I am sorry this bullshit apparently makes you uneasy. I can tell you're a proud 3rd gen owner and like many, do not want to question your investment. I apologize if I have done that as my intention was not to put doubt in your head but enlighten you with my humble opinions, thoughts, and engineering speculation. I love tin foil hats btw.

 

I'm not really worry. Yeah, if it dies on the road then it's suck but that situation can happen to your trusty 5.7L V8 or F150, your X7, 'Slate, or G63...I know Toyota will make that right with EXTRA years of warranty (or face billions dollars in lawsuits).

Yeah, I thought about that for few days and decided to get the iForce MAX instead...I know I know it might be included in the recall later as well